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scepticus

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Re: UK Brexit - opinions?
« Reply #45 on: May 07, 2017, 02:22:56 AM »

Europe does face an immigration crisis , Real. Everyone admits that. But it is a humanitarian crisis and Europe has agreed to accept refugees from war -torn countries. The difference of opinion is to what is an acceptable  level .The UK actually refused some immigrants and the French had to make camps available to house them . The French want a limit as well but they don’t have   the advantage of the English Channel to help limit numbers . Many of these refugees are from Africa and are not Muslims  and Muslims have been killing each other for generations without our help anyway . So the West should stay wll away  from their squabbles . It is their problem - not ours.
Nowadays the UK is a multi-racial country and has many nationalities and religions . We are not OVER-RUN by Muslims.We have Japanese, Indians ,Polish.Russians and many other nationalities . Our immigration Laws , however, don’t distinguish between nationalities. If    anyone does not meet strict criteria they are  liable for  deportation. Americans, Canadians - whatever. They can have lived here for years, have children -businesses - be good citizens - pay their taxes. It doesn’t matter . And Reyth talks about Brussels beaurocrats  being heartless !
As for Muslims both you and Reyth are clearly deeply prejudiced .Most Muslims are like others - they want a quiet .peaceful life in which to bring up their children .Like us Whities they, unfortunately , have  their extremists .
 The Koran / Quoran  - whatever - does not say that wives must bear 5 children or insist that women wear a hijab. The West needs to accept that we have   caused some of the problems we face today . If Hussain or Assad had been dealt with by diplomatic pressure there would not be refugees for us to deal with.
Anyway, this is a diversion from Brexit. I can understand those Brits who want  to get out of Europe but if you decide to Leave a Community then you should   Leave it .You then need to accept any consequences that flow from that decision. Our government does not want to leave the EU - it just wants to cherry-pick the bits that suits it.
That is Hypocrisy
 

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Re: UK Brexit - opinions?
« Reply #46 on: May 09, 2017, 10:59:31 PM »

Exit  Frexit  !
Now that he French Electorate have chosen the lesser of two evils is seems that France will not be leaving the EU - well for now anyway. So the Good Ship “British Empire Renewed “ sails off on it’s own into uncharted waters. 
The bad news for the EU though  - and for Brexiteers  - is that Macron is all for Austerity  as well as the EU. Being elected , though, he is not one of Reyth’s or Real’s  or  May’s bogeymen .
Businesses in both Britain and Europe face an uncertain future  .It seems clear that , far from wanting to leave Europe  and “ take back control “, the UK Government seeks to  do a deal with the EU because Uk businesses will suffer from a complete withdrawal - as will their EU counter parts. As far as possible it will be business as usual accompanied by the usual weasel words from politicians .   
Unlike Reyth’s fantasy world politicians put pragmatism before principle . It will be interesting to see how they deal with the march of progress - with the destruction of  millions of jobs due to  IT and Robots.
 

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Re: UK Brexit - opinions?
« Reply #47 on: May 10, 2017, 12:52:14 AM »
I apologize for being utterly alone in my views and making everything up.
 

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Re: UK Brexit - opinions?
« Reply #48 on: May 10, 2017, 01:28:15 AM »
Reyth...."making everything up"ain't so bad.

Newton, Einstein and Edison made things up.  ;)
« Last Edit: May 10, 2017, 02:27:14 AM by Sheridan44 »
 

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Re: UK Brexit - opinions?
« Reply #49 on: May 10, 2017, 04:40:54 AM »
Scepiticus,

You're delusional if you think the UK doesn't have a Muslim problem as well.

You're over run with Pakistan immigrants there and they've brought some serious health issues with them from Pakistan because of heavy inbreeding.
 
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« Reply #50 on: May 10, 2017, 04:51:06 PM »
Interesting point.  I have heard it said that the Black Plague was also brought to the west by the mohammedans.  The immigration crisis video I linked to also makes reference to immigration borne disease.
 

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« Reply #51 on: May 10, 2017, 08:28:30 PM »
As were native Americans whom were decimated by diseases - carried in by merchants and marauders from abroad - for which their immune systems had no defense.
 

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« Reply #52 on: May 10, 2017, 09:00:38 PM »
Vikings have been there first, it didn't finish native Americans by desises. 
   It's naive to belive  they dyed from flu, they have simply been exterminated.
 

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Re: UK Brexit - opinions?
« Reply #53 on: May 10, 2017, 11:55:38 PM »
Oh ! Guys ! Guys ! Come on.
You  Yanks seem to need a bogeyman .
Today it is Muslims.  A generation ago it was Reds Under the Bed .Whom have you have lined up to hate next ?
You seem to forget that modern America was  built by Immigrants . In all likelihood YOU are descendants  of Immigrants.  Just as well they didn’t live   when haters like you were around .  Remind me of the words on the Statue of Liberty  ? Your views are the Polar opposite.
No one chooses the circumstances ot their birth so no one should be vilified because of it . They can be condemned for their conduct but not just because of their Nationality or Religion or colour .
As for Pakistanis, Real, they make a contribution to the UK and are not freeloaders . Some are doctors and many are shopkeepers .
Your views confirm what I think. The vote to leave the EU was mainly based on the bogeyman of “ immigrants “.
Little thought was given to the consequences of leaving and people did think that they were voting to be totally independent of the EU.  Make Britain Great Again !
Dreams of  past glories and of  Britain being GREAT again . It is only when reality Bites will they realise that  the grass on the other side is not always greener  ! What they will find is that politicians have  been “ economical with  the truth “ and the reality will be that deals will be done.  Some of the laws of the “worthless” EU  will still operate in the UK. Concessions will be  made by the UK government because business is business
Principles, Reyth ? How can someone who voted Remain be the Leader of a Government that is intent on Leaving  be
principled ?
How can a governing Party professing to respect the Rule of Law  be fined for breaking The Law  be “principled “  ?
Politics and Principles don’t mix Reyth much as  politicians would like us to believe it . Pragmatism prevails .
We live in an ever - changing world . Get used to it !