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Things that have made a difference in my game, what say you?
« on: February 22, 2017, 06:48:07 PM »
This may have no impact on some, but thought I would test the waters...
After I was lucky enough to find the power of two chart (on my own), which is no big deal to some educated folk, things in my game began to make sense. Remember, it is possible for many people to discover the same things long after some brainiac has done it. For example, a farmer, might not ever need to know what the "power of two chart" even is, but one day for some reason he finds a need for permutation and a whole new world of calculations and applied math has meaning, and philosophical reasoning that he never ever needed before and had no idea really existed, after all he was born into a world of "sweat by brow". This might not be the best example, but hopefully you get the drift.

Anyway, sometimes knowledge can be dangerous, and all the math in the world can not overcome the table limits. But there is where the obsession begins, in that moment, that you believe that you can do something that others before you claim is impossible...beating the game. We all have our angles, and tricks, but for me, after losing more money WITH the knowledge, than before I ever found it, I needed a, AHH HAA, moment. At the time, I had never been on a gambling website, or forum, and whether you believe it or not had no idea they existed! I guess I was like that FARMER.
So like many, I kept throwing money at the game, and the smarter I got, the more I would lose, until one day, I heard a saying....“it’s the notes you don’t play” that are as important as the ones that you do. ~~~~

A popular jazz adage has it that “it’s the notes you don’t play” that are as important as the ones that you do. Jazz great Miles Davis (1926-1991) is often credited with the saying, but it’s not known if he ever said it.
“It’s the notes you don’t play that make the difference” has been cited in print since at least 1963.

And WHAM!!!!, how could I not have seen this?? (BLINDING EGO)

I know I will come under fire for saying this, BUT, VIRTUAL BETS ARE YOUR FRIEND!!
THE moment I stopped chasing the strength of the math and accepted the middle ground, I began to win. The fact that often I would see ungodly strong pattern roll overs and, very playable, money making conditions, I would only make a limited attempt at the bet, because I then realized it was VARIANCE I was seeing, and you can't fight that, you can not buy the winning result. Sure you can change your approach for that bet and try to get on the other side of it, but why?? just let it pass.
VARIANCE is the easiest thing to see and the hardest thing to lay off of, to a pattern player!!
I had to play a little game with my own brain and break things down into terms that a child would understand....
To a novice that asks me about the math patterns and why they are relevant, I can not possibly force feed them what is in my head and explain my philosophies. So I say to them, pick a number between 1 and 8, and I will do the same. Then I ask them their choice and reveal mine. When our numbers do not match I tell them that they in fact WON that round of betting...they say "huh?"
I go on to explain the even chances and that there are only 8 outcomes for the last three results on the marquis to reappear. I always play along with patterns, just to quell my desire to blast against them, and that is my own lesson #1 and a personal philosophy. Having said that, I tell them that, even this basic play of the "3 back" permutation, you can still get crushed, but not if you do not allow it, through good money management and a divisor. And when they still do not get it, I put 8 slips of paper in a bowl, numbered 1-8, and I tell them to choose one, after that, put it back in, and then I will choose. I then explain that with a forward commitment in advance to always go with a pattern, the only loser in the bowl is if we both pick the same one out, a 7 to 1 in our favor. I am sure this is boring most of you, due to the rudimentary explanation, but these are the basic philosophies we tend to ignore, as we get better at our craft. Once you master pattern recognition and can apply the math and philosophical direction as a value, you can become unstoppable.
My playing style is not limited to this of coarse, but it is a winning strategy, and with virtual betting, even better, for the beginner.
Another saying I heard made an impact on me as well...
" When there is a movement to stop "X", Bet on "X"...
 This helped me stop betting against long streaks on the e.c.'s. and no matter how long they were, just play with them. I am aware this is an age old topic, but it is just not talked about enough. Who cares if your first attempt at going with 14 reds in a row, fails, it's just one loss, you can pick the play back up on the strong side if it breaks, and know full well that red will be reappearing in the very near future, a great and fun way to watch the upcoming events unfold when you know the math of a 16,384 pattern. You can tailor a progression around that outcome every time for a guaranteed unit win, and if you play by the hour and need 4 to 8 units for the hourly quota, there is one in the bank!
But lets say you go against red too early, well, we all know how that ends....
The point being teach a newbie that philosophy, as counter-intuitive as it may be, and they will thank you for it, I wish I would of met someone to teach me, I would have saved the tuition!
I admire so many players on this site, because I know they approach the game in a similar way, I read your posts and feel I am looking in a mirror, so if this is true, CAN WE BE WRONG?
SORRY FOR THE EXTREMELY LONG RAMBLE, BUT I WAS IN THE MOOD, I HAVE BEEN BECOMING MORE COMFORTABLE WITH PARTICIPATING. I WILL EVENTUALLY FIND THE COURAGE TO REVEAL MY ACTUAL METHODS AND FORMS OF SCORE KEEPING / BANK MANAGEMENT, IN THE FUTURE...

 THANKS FOR READING, AND KEEP THAT BET AS FLAT AS YOU CAN!! BEST REGARDS, THE JUICE

 


 
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Re: Things that have made a difference in my game, what say you?
« Reply #1 on: February 22, 2017, 07:47:50 PM »
Yup, we are all Surfing The ExtremeTM



If you're not in the extreme, you're not doing it right.
 
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« Reply #2 on: March 29, 2017, 05:03:59 PM »


    things that have made a difference in my game are the following;

  i DETACH YOURSELF FROM THINKING OF "MONEY" AS YOU PLAY.

ROULETTE IS A GAME AND A GAME THAT MUST BE PLAYED THE WAY YOU PLAY ANY GAME; THINKING OF MONEY CAN THROW OFF THE PLAYER SO MUCH OFF HIS GAME THAT HIS DECISIONS WILL NOT BE THE SAME AS WHEN HE PRACTICE AT HOME.

I just came back from a 8 days trip at Pananma city. won 1800 units. I had to play in the worst conditions I ever encountered in my life. women wanting money were allowed in the casino, beautiful ones, hitting on you.  players pushing themseves around throwing chips around and placing crazy bets all over.  dealers and pit boss not friendly and many did not spoke english, with not much experience dealing.
only 1 or 2 tables available. (could not go outside because of dangerous situations encountering tourists getting mugged.  intense Raggeton music played so loud you could not even ear anybody.
I had to be TOTTALY FOCUS on my game and watch over my shoulder the whole time.

what made the difference in my game was to think JUST ABOUT THE GAME AND NOTHING ELSE.
I was actually praying hard as I was playing and was down much money at one time, and had to pull out more :bills secretely out of my pocket in the fear of being watched and targeted.

I DID NOT HAVE A GREAT TIME PLAYING AND IN ORDER TO WIN SUDDENLY REALISED THAT I WOULD HAVE TO PLAY MY GAME JUST THE WAY I ALWAYS PLAY AND NOT LET FEAR OF LOSING MONEY AND MY BAD SURROUNDING HAVE ANY EFFECT ON MY PLAY. PULLED IT OFF, NOT EASY.
a great lesson to learn, that i did. 
but what really hit me like a ton of bricks is HOW MUCH LOOKING AT THE VALUE OF THE $$$ CAN AFFECT SOMEONE'S GAME. YOU MUST DETACH YOURSELF FROM IT IN ORDER TO WIN.

I play mostly a street method with a single number and have always done well with it. but it takes time and patience. I have that on my side. and the experience to know that you cant let emotions take over.
the test of your character is the best part in this game. you can see where you stand, and the more you grow as a individual, the better you get.  take care my roulette friens.
Rinad.
 
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Re: Things that have made a difference in my game, what say you?
« Reply #3 on: March 29, 2017, 05:24:43 PM »
Wow Rinad awesome post!  You are in wonderful company with Juice's OP!!

The greatest difference in my game?

Coming to the understanding that even the best system can't win FOR us and that we must win WITH the best system instead.

In other words, we must learn how to gamble and without this skill we will lose every time, even WITH the best system.
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« Reply #4 on: March 29, 2017, 05:51:26 PM »


  very true Reyth,
would rather be taught by a pro/gambler then a "genius math guy" with no "instinct" about gambling.

there was this guy that I heard about from a Pro friend of mine, he said he was so good at gambling and Money management that he did not matter WHAT HE WOULD BET ON, just knew when to "hold them and when to fold them".
more of a art then a science I think.  about this crapy hotel casino I stayed in, when I went to cash in my chips at the cashier in the morning, she had to call some"boss guy"to paid me.
HE DID NOT AUTORISED HER TO PAID ME. unbelievable !!!!  had to come back later and cash in my chips one at a time. I don't want to mention the name of the hotel casino on the forum but would be glad to do it on a personal email if any one cares to know. a real joke I tell you.
 
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« Reply #5 on: March 29, 2017, 06:23:33 PM »
Wow amazing!  :o
 
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Re: Things that have made a difference in my game, what say you?
« Reply #6 on: March 29, 2017, 08:44:51 PM »
Sounds like a gangster movie to me. pffff.
I think I wouldn't have played at all.
 
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« Reply #7 on: March 29, 2017, 09:43:10 PM »


      I did found a nicer spot to play Eddy. they had a roulette machine that used "ping pong" balls, 38 of them, in a cage. you place your bet on the layout,push the play button, then the cage start shaking the balls, and then a ball with one of the 38 numbers drops out, and that is your number.
never played one before. a real honest game since you see the balls randomly moved and so forth.
I had very long winning streaks like i never experienced with a wheel. not sure why.
I took several hundreds of units playing between 0.05 cents to 10.00 $.
wish they had those machines here in colorado. so I played those for hours and did very well. never did need more then 40.00 $
but then I was done with the tables.

 
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« Reply #8 on: March 30, 2017, 08:05:52 AM »
@Juice

Thank you for your story and the meaning behind it. it was a good read and a good teaching at the same time. we have too few of these posts in our forum. i'm sure that at some point in the near future we will say to each other; 'we were playing roulette all wrong'. until then, we all keep losing money at the end of the day.
 

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Re: Things that have made a difference in my game, what say you?
« Reply #9 on: April 01, 2017, 02:00:20 AM »
Rinad, nice piece! I enjoyed reading it. I agree with all you write. I think it would be a blast to gamble along side you because I can tell without even knowing you, that you would be the kind of guy that could express a thousand words in just one facial expression. Experience tends to do that to some people. If I was about to place a bet that was marginal, I can just see a person like you, that plays similar to me, looking at me like....."you sure about this one?" Lol lol, a little reminder to stay the coarse, and don't step off the path.....

Eddy, thanks man! Appreciate the kind review! I think the philosophical approach to the game is the most important part. The point when we all reach our own conclusions at different times, from different striking moments. The interesting part is when it clicks, we are all suddenly on the same page. If not , we feel the need to understand the other guys point of view, in fear that we still might be missing something ourselves. It is a wonderful feeling when you actually find your one true obsession and can be excellent at it!
A good friend of mine, and true student of my game once asked me an important question, just after he understood,
( mind click ) , one of my stratagies that included virtual betting.... He remarked, Wow, I now see what you are talking about, awesome! "So what do you think your ultimate goal will be?"
So I gave him the answer every person that is on this forum would give if they are being honest....to win every spin! To win every bet placed!
Laugh if you will at that answer, as unrealistic as it might seem, but this is the event all players dream of!
So practice , practice , practice , and keep an open mind, cause who knows???

                         HAPPY HUNTING, the juice

 
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« Reply #10 on: April 01, 2017, 12:22:26 PM »


  Juice, thank you for saying that. I wish I could be playing with players such as yourself. maybe some day we can do that. Roulette is such a "lonewolf type game " that most of us are like wolfs in a casino.

the mental aspect and make up of a player is so important. I think it is 90% part of winning.
not to get off the subject of this thread here but I think that is why short term plays are more successfull then long lenghty sessions. every time I lost in my years of playing is when I got angry with the odds. "how can this be?",
  this is "unreal", it is "supernatural". "never saw anything like it in my 12000 spins??", that type of situation happened to most players.
WE AS HUMANS LIKE TO FIGHT BACK WHEN WE LOSE. SOMETIME WE ARE BETTER OFF NOT KNEELING TOWARDS PUNCHES.
THAT LAST STATEMENT IS WHAT MAKES ME A BETTER PLAYER. NOT FACING GOLIATH IF I FORGOT MY SLING SHOT. TURN AROUND AND WALK AWAY.
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« Reply #11 on: April 01, 2017, 07:30:59 PM »
So totally true Rinad! 

Now I find myself deliberately having to force myself to "have an open mind" in the face of negative variance and deliberately "going with the flow" of the random sequence and truly "listening to what the wheel is actually telling me" so that I will calmly and rationally make a responsible decision, to best deal with the actual situation and not how I feel the situation "should be" instead.

This "calm, responsible, open-flow-mind" allows me to act both conservatively and aggressively; a mistake in either direction can cost us dearly!

And so sorry to be self aggrandizing but I keep coming back to the things mentioned here:

http://forum.roulette30.com/index.php?topic=1472.msg21241#msg21241
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« Reply #12 on: April 02, 2017, 04:21:45 AM »


  the legend of "bagger vance". a must see movie for roulette players.
the game can only be played. it never stops. look around you..(awareness Reyth).
knowing your game, (statistical knowledge).  he has a open mind that stops the interferences and distractions. (psychological balance).
he does not get angry when he loses. (self discipline).
he knows at all time where he needs to be and how much to bet, how much he can be drown down,(bank/manag.)

he is more then the game he is playing. that makes him control the flow. and win the game.
Rinad
 
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« Reply #13 on: April 02, 2017, 03:02:00 PM »

Again and again trying to understand deeper the game and myself I return to these quotes:
'Gambling is buying hope on credit.'
and
'Luck always seems to be against the man who depends on it.'
 
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« Reply #14 on: April 02, 2017, 06:18:02 PM »
ahahah I just started looping this vid for the music!

I can flip over and view the quotes anytime I need inspiration or (gulp) courage..  :-[

If we become fearful of losing, we become instinctually blind!  We must use our mind (statistical knowldege) & will (desire to win) to overcome our instinctual fear!!

ahahaha this video speaks to the heart of every gambler on the issue of stop loss/bet reduction and it does so in such a beautifully artistic manner!!  Can you imagine hiring an orchestra &  a movie producer to illustrate a single profound point?  Just watch this video to see exactly that!!!
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