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Re: NEW SYSTEM: SINGLE DOZEN
« Reply #540 on: May 27, 2017, 07:42:28 PM »
@Terminator, omg so you have encountered 5 back to back losses plus 2 spins before a win ? Is this online, RNG or B+M ?

I am curious out here all the players that have played this system, anyone encountered 4 or 5 back to back losses when playing it at B+M casino ?

The bread winner method is basically a labby right ? I might try that but it indeed needs  A LOT of patience.

@Palestis, is this also how you play ? So after two back to back losses wait for a virtual win and then proceed with a higher chip/progression on the following trigger ? But do you start at level 1 progression or you proceed with level 3 ?

 

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Re: NEW SYSTEM: SINGLE DOZEN
« Reply #541 on: May 27, 2017, 07:59:06 PM »
@Terminator, omg so you have encountered 5 back to back losses plus 2 spins before a win ? Is this online, RNG or B+M ?

Yes. But this test was BEFORE all my many modifications I have now. You can read about it in an earlier post in this thread. This was BEFORE I used the XYY and XYY+3 Triggers, and BEFORE my 100 unit loss. BEFORE my 2X Divisor. BEFORE I skipped the FIRST trigger after a streak of 3+ and played the 2nd trigger, IF that 2nd trigger target was different from the dominant dozen of the last streak. There were many other changes I made since then as well.

In that game, I reached a 2522 unit loss, but if I played the same game today, it would not have gone over a 100 unit loss. Also, I replayed the same game with the Bread Winner progression, and instead of a 2550 loss, it only reached a 189 unit loss. This is making the same, exact bets, the only difference was the progression.

I have attached BOTH games to this document for your review.

And to answer your question, the spins were downloaded from REAL Live casino's online, None of them were RNG. Then I played through them manually.

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Re: NEW SYSTEM: SINGLE DOZEN
« Reply #542 on: May 27, 2017, 10:20:25 PM »
@Palestis, is this also how you play ? So after two back to back losses wait for a virtual win and then proceed with a higher chip/progression on the following trigger ? But do you start at level 1 progression or you proceed with level 3 ?
At $10 minimum starting chips (and most other roulettes at $15, I can't risk extended progressions.
Stopping at 2 back to back losses avoids the possibility of 3+ back to back. After a virtually winning trigger I expect to see more frequent winning triggers. Definitely I don't  expect to see 3 back to back, following immediately after 3 back to back. After a winning trigger brakes the back to back losing sequence I start with a higher basic chip, but the progression is proportionate to the lower value chip. As soon as I come close to recovery I revert back to the usual chip. 
At the same time I also use the YXX+3 trigger after 2 back to back losses. With many roulettes available on the casino floor it doesn't take long to find such trigger. Where on line in one roulette you have to wait till it happens.
Also in a real casino, you may find (by back counting), a trigger that already lost 1 round. That is considered money saved. Then by playing the next 2 trigger is like playing 3 triggers at the cost of only two. I also keep an eye for situations like this:
1-2-35-3-22-17-26-4.  The 1-2-35 trigger lost with 3-22-17. With 26 we have another trigger (22-17-26). which already lost the first spin with 4. Then I can play another 3 spins , which in effect is four spins, but at the cost of 3 spins.
I rely more in these types of scenarios, rather than progression. But you have to be able to process numbers, starting backwards on the score board. You have to be mentally alert all the time.
You also may find 2 triggers that already lost 2 back to back . Already made without spending a single penny.
Needless to say that after that you proceed with a very high value chip.
These situations are available when you have many roulettes to chose from.
 
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Re: NEW SYSTEM: SINGLE DOZEN
« Reply #543 on: May 27, 2017, 10:51:24 PM »
Before I forget here is another very effective system involving a single dozen
It is the "Pattern repeat" system. ( it is the exact opposite of the "pattern breaker", which requires to play 2 dozens).
We take groups of 3 numbers and note their pattern.
Example 1-10- 22 ,the pattern is 1-1-2.
25-17-8. The pattern is 3-2-1
18-30-2. The pattern is 2-3-1.
Once we establish the dozen pattern of the last 3 numbers spun, we play the exact pattern in the next 3 spins. Once we match it in one of the next 3 spins we win and stop. Then go to the next pattern.
If lose go on to the next trigger/pattern.
Below is a worksheet of an entire session.
No 2 back to back losses.
As an initial red flag I would say avoid patterns that involve the same dozen in 3 spins.
Like 32-27-30 (3-3-3).

 
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Re: NEW SYSTEM: SINGLE DOZEN
« Reply #544 on: May 28, 2017, 12:36:55 AM »


I like the pattern repeat system, but 3 or 4 back to back do occur more often after a quick run through wiesbaden's table 3 on the 27th.

I think hit and run or start play after 2 virtual losses with higher value chip is better for more certainty.
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Re: NEW SYSTEM: SINGLE DOZEN
« Reply #545 on: May 28, 2017, 09:12:51 AM »
PLEASE DO NOT QUOTE PREVIOUS POSTS

Hello Palestis,
I have coded "Patterns repeat"
With the following red flags:
If 3 identical dozen then stop. we search 3 dozen others
If the 0 appears during the trigger search then stop. we search 3 dozen others

For your example here is the graph:
Chart 1_08022017_table2
Detailed file: file 1_08022017_table2

Another day: 03042017:
Chart 2_03042017_table 1
File 2_03042017_table 1
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Re: NEW SYSTEM: SINGLE DOZEN
« Reply #546 on: May 28, 2017, 02:12:33 PM »

I like the pattern repeat system, but 3 or 4 back to back do occur more often after a quick run through wiesbaden's table 3 on the 27th.

I think hit and run or start play after 2 virtual losses with higher value chip is better for more certainty.
I think more tests are needed to determine the possible maximum back to back losses.
 3 or 4 are still rare. if it's determined that 4 are in fact are rare and 3 are also somewhat rare, then one or two virtual losses  is the best way to go. Then play the next two triggers with actual money.
The good thing is that triggers form as fast as the roulette spins. So there is no waste of time waiting for a special trigger to form.
Maybe the appearance of a 0 during the 3 bets should cancel the remaining bets. (if it came in the 1st or 2nd bet). 
Initially I would take the pattern of 3 numbers and play that same pattern to repeat for one of an extended number of spins. ( without changing to another trigger after 3 unsuccessful spins). In that case the winning range was longer, with usual maximum up to 6 spins. But rarely it would go to 13 spins. But that was extremely rare. (which in fact translates to about 4 back to back losses with changing triggers).
Changing the trigger every 3 spins, I find it much more effective and more manageable. 
I am also looking into the case of taking DS patterns. (6 numbers DS patterns playing for one to  repeat in one of the next 6 spins).
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Re: NEW SYSTEM: SINGLE DOZEN
« Reply #547 on: May 28, 2017, 04:25:28 PM »
   Pal,
        When we 1st explored the dozens together this trigger was proposed. we found that the "odd dozen"(single dozen) was stronger and concentrated on that.
      However my local casino has only one auto machine. I have therefor used this and "guns" and a couple of other EC pattern match methods, to avoid being seen to win with only 1 System. My results show this is a break even method. A progression is definitely needed to ensure a win.
      I have just got my PC running after it being unused and moved around while I was in the UK. I will look at some of my records and pass on info.
        Harry
 
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Re: NEW SYSTEM: SINGLE DOZEN
« Reply #548 on: May 29, 2017, 01:00:12 AM »
Harry
When we were testing the dozen pattern match , we were taking one pattern like 321 (if the numbers were 30-20-10) and carried it to the end. Until it either won or lost. After that we were picking the next pattern. And you found the winning range to be 1-6 spins.
This time I revised it, to take the pattern and play it for 3 spins or stop if it is a match.  Then pick another 3 number pattern. And play that one for up to 3 spins. ( just like we do in the "odd dozen").
This way it is much easier to back count and find virtual losses that already happened.
The other way (sticking to the same pattern),  as I was back counting I was making a lot of mistakes and that caused me many problems. And that's the reason I abandoned it.
Changing the trigger/pattern every 3 spins, makes it a lot easier to back count, because I only have to count 3 steps back. Plus it offers more variety in triggers.
The other way (sticking with the same pattern),  I was going as far back as the bottom number on the board. And worked my way up to most recent numbers. And most of the time I got lost.
As I told you, the casino nearest me is brutally slow in spinning. ( they stack the chips manually by the dealer).
Any back to back losses with the "odd dozen" system, translates into a long wait to recover. Maybe more than an hour. Or maybe 2 hours if I have to use the YXX+3 trigger. And that's a problem.
In the revised dozen pattern match,  triggers come fast, and it is very easy to spot virtual losses, by back counting.
Once the rarest back to back losses limit is determined, the rest is easy. All you have to do is find virtual losses that are just  below the rare limit, and start playing the triggers after that.
I very much doubt that every time you bet , you will be breaking  the already rare back to back loss limit record.
So I have to do more tests to determine what that back to back loss limit is. 

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Re: NEW SYSTEM: SINGLE DOZEN
« Reply #549 on: May 30, 2017, 02:38:09 PM »
HarryJ, I'm familiar with your version of Single Dozen. But when using your version of Single Dozen (by using the previous 3 spins, instead of the next 3 spins), you said that you really don't use any Red Flag rules.

I'm just curious. What techniques do you use to avoid a long losing streak? And what warning signs do you look out for? What actions do you take? If any.

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Re: NEW SYSTEM: SINGLE DOZEN
« Reply #550 on: June 01, 2017, 05:03:46 PM »
  Hi Terminator,
                  I restart the count at the following red flags. 3 spins showing all 3 doz. 3 spins showing only one doz. At zero.
        I play a 5 step insured marty. Concentrating on the first 3 spins, and being happy with a break even or a small loss on spins 4 and 5.
       I back count from where the bet ends. ie. no new spins unless the last 3 spins do NOT provide a trigger. This allows for the two active doz to repeat several times.eg 2,3,2... bet 3.. 3w... last 3 spins =3,2,3... bet 2....2 w.. last 3 spins,2,3,2... bet 3... 3w..... doz 1 has slept for 6 spins. Not unusual, strings of wins like this are quite common.If doz 1 really goes to sleep it is possible to get 5 or 6 wins in the space of 9-10 spins.

     With a 5 spin progression back to back losses are less common. I do not increase my stake on the 1st loss. I rely on the W/L ratio to recover. An increase on what you would call the 3rd level is fairly safe. It would require the equivalent of 5 loses on a 3 spin cycle.

      This version is designed for continuous play on a single random flow. Not for intermittent play switching from table to table(as per Pale). Pale's version works, but there are many more back to back losses. Which require a stronger progression to recover quickly.

    Harry

 
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Re: NEW SYSTEM: SINGLE DOZEN
« Reply #551 on: June 02, 2017, 08:04:02 PM »
Thanks for your explanation, Harry.

And just to Double Check your betting amount from an earlier post of yours. Can you verify if this is how you bet?

You start by placing TWO DS bets. Each are 3 units. You make a sequence of 5 bets in a row.

Let's say you make the 1st of 5 bets, and lose. Then your 2nd bet will be 4 units each. If lose, your 3rd bet will be 5 units each. If lose, your 4th bet will be 6 units each. And finally, your 5th and last bet will be 9 units each.

Is this correct?

If so, what happens if you lose all 5 bets? Do you start back at 3 unit bets for the next sequence of 5 bets? Or do you increase your first bet?

Thanks for clarifying.
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Re: NEW SYSTEM: SINGLE DOZEN
« Reply #552 on: June 03, 2017, 01:01:18 AM »
@ Terminator
The system I posted regarding the dozen pattern match continues to perform very well.
I have been testing it, feverously for the last two weeks and I don't see any problems with  many back to back losses. (but I pay attention to the previous numbers to make sure there is nothing out of the ordinary). 
Any roulette in sight has a trigger. Its last 3 numbers. Except when the same dozen appears 3 times in the intended trigger. Plus one great advantage is that you can spot "virtual losses" very easily.
All you have to do is go back 6 numbers on the score board, and take the 6th ,5th and 4th numbers as the trigger.
Then check if there was a dozen pattern match in the very last 3 numbers on the board.
If not, you automatically have one virtual loss. (No real money spent).
Then you take those last 3 numbers and use them for the next rigger.
In the picture (inside the blue border), if those were the last ( 6 most recent numbers) that you see on the score board, 21,29,33, was the trigger. The 2-3-3 pattern did not match any of the 32,18,13 pattern.
So it was a loss.
Taking the 32,18,13 as the new trigger its pattern is 3-2-2. Which matches the 33 that came next (32 matches the 33 as they both are in the same dozen). If you want 2 virtual losses, go back 9 number on the score board.
I also found that using the 3 numbers (that caused the previous triggers to lose), as the new trigger it usually wins about 90% of the time on average. Very frequently with the 1st or 2nd spin.
And Junscissorhands found the same hit rate of 90%, by doing his own testing.
I also found that zero or 00 is the culprit that frequently causes a loss. It's best to abandon betting when  0 appears. Then pick the next 3 spins after the 0 as the new trigger.
I find this system much better where roulettes spin slow. With 8-10 minutes wait from spin to spin, the XYX is impossible to play it. That's how long it takes to spin the ball in the nearest casino from me. And if you are looking for YXX+3, well it might an hour.

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Re: NEW SYSTEM: SINGLE DOZEN
« Reply #553 on: June 03, 2017, 01:32:13 AM »
Thanks Palestis, I'll experiment with your Dozen Pattern Match also.
 

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« Reply #554 on: June 03, 2017, 04:28:09 PM »
   Hi Terminator,
           You have the progression correct I do not increase my stake after the first loss. With a 5 step progression back to back losses are rare. If a second loss is encountered I do increase the stake. A third loss would involve 15 spins. ie equivalent to 5 back to back with only 3 steps. It does happen, but not often.
      Technically I should increase again after the 3rd loss, but I am a "play it safe" type of guy. I either go home with what is left of my daily bank. Or drop back, and start again from 1 unit.
       Harry
 
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