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Re: NEW SYSTEM: SINGLE DOZEN
« Reply #525 on: May 25, 2017, 09:48:35 AM »
Hello Terminator  :D
I coded a version of the method like this:
"Step 1: Only use the XYY trigger (XYX and YYX triggers are ignored)
Step 2: If the PREVIOUS 3 spins do NOT include an "X", then bet. If it does not include "X", ignore this XYY trigger.
Step 3: Bet up to 3 times, and then stop. If 1 of the 3 bets win, it's a win. If not within 3 bets, it's a loss. "

I added a progression like this:

1-2-2-
2-2-4
4-4-8
8-8-16
16-16-32
32-32-64 "

I also used your idea 2X divisor when there is a gain and we are below the highest

I did a test on the month of April 2017 on a real permanent "Casino WIesbaden"
I attach the output file so that you can check.
I also attach the graphical representation

How do I view an image directly in the post?

have a good day :D
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Re: NEW SYSTEM: SINGLE DOZEN
« Reply #526 on: May 25, 2017, 08:03:54 PM »
Wow, its just a fantastic work TERMINATOR. Such a huge database, thanks, I can lost between these database :D  So 12,000+ spins, and you are in profit with this single dozen system? You beat the roulette in long therm?
So we bet XYY, but we bet, when the previous 3 spins do not include the X, am I right? Example X-2 Y-15 Y-16. But in previous 3 spins every time will include the X, dont? 16,15,2...or we look the previous 3 spins before the X-2?
What is your opinion about this system? What is your experience after 12,000+ spins, which modification is the best in avarage winnings and in security ?
 

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Re: NEW SYSTEM: SINGLE DOZEN
« Reply #527 on: May 26, 2017, 12:39:29 AM »
Hello Terminator  :D
I coded a version of the method like this:

Wow, thanks Drenek. Great job!

Can I ask you, would it be possible for you to add a feature so that when I press the F9 key, all the spins will automatically be randomly generated again? And also, can you put a graph, like the one posted above, inside that Excel document, to show the results of the next 5,000 spins?

Thanks again for all your awesome work!
 

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Re: NEW SYSTEM: SINGLE DOZEN
« Reply #528 on: May 26, 2017, 12:47:34 AM »
Wow, its just a fantastic work TERMINATOR. Such a huge database, thanks, I can lost between these database :D  So 12,000+ spins, and you are in profit with this single dozen system? You beat the roulette in long therm?

Thanks Mr. Eko. I don't know if 12,000 spins is long term, but I have made a profit so far. And these are just tests, not actual play for real money. However, all my tests were from REAL spins downloaded from Live Roulette games online. No RNG's.

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So we bet XYY, but we bet, when the previous 3 spins do not include the X, am I right? Example X-2 Y-15 Y-16. But in previous 3 spins every time will include the X, dont? 16,15,2...or we look the previous 3 spins before the X-2?

Sorry, but I really don't want to keep repeating myself. The details of how I play are mentioned throughout this post.

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What is your opinion about this system? What is your experience after 12,000+ spins, which modification is the best in avarage winnings and in security ?

The best modification, so far, is the one I came up with, IF you have the proper bankroll. For small bankrolls, the Bread Winner is the best.
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Re: NEW SYSTEM: SINGLE DOZEN
« Reply #529 on: May 26, 2017, 09:14:51 AM »
12000 spins is not much. It needs millions of spins to really test it. Maybe It's difficult to do this with live spins but I guess the roulette RX program has a feature to test with randomly numbers and I think that can be equal compared with live spins. Myself I don't have the program and skills for it but if someone could do, much appreciated.
Terminator, would you like to explain the bread winner progression? Tried to download the zipfile (xls), but it didn't work. Will try again later. Tried to Google bread winner progression but not much info.
Thank you.
 

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Re: NEW SYSTEM: SINGLE DOZEN
« Reply #530 on: May 26, 2017, 01:53:19 PM »
Drenek, Thanks for the test in roulette but it looks you were in the bottom of the progression with only 3000 spins? ...  ???
 

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Re: NEW SYSTEM: SINGLE DOZEN
« Reply #531 on: May 26, 2017, 06:32:08 PM »
 Normally, if you do everything right, chances are that you will go negative on the very beginning of play. Later , when your edge assert itself, it's difficult to have drowdowns.
    In case of no edge, drowdown can happen in any moment.
 

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Re: NEW SYSTEM: SINGLE DOZEN
« Reply #532 on: May 26, 2017, 10:29:02 PM »
I've just run this system through wiesbaden of the 25th. 4 consecutive losses.

2nd pic you can see the play from the beginning.

Before the 4 consecutive losses there was also 3 consecutive losses. First 3 back to back losses one red flag was ignored on the 4 back to back losses were no red flags, these two events happened within 140 spins on one table.
« Last Edit: May 26, 2017, 10:56:07 PM by Junscissorhands »
 
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Re: NEW SYSTEM: SINGLE DOZEN
« Reply #533 on: May 26, 2017, 11:56:56 PM »
When 5-9-5-1 came (bottom of the first column), you don't count the 1st dozen either in the XX or the target Y. You move on to the next trigger. Also if there is a XXY and the next 2 spins are XX you stop there and don't play the 3rd spin. (which is the most costly).
Anyway I didn't see 3 back to back but I encountered 4 back to back in the general area you pointed out.
The best defense is to stop after you run into 2 back to back losses. Then wait till one of the next triggers wins (Virtually). That way you avoid any bad sequence of 3+ back to back losses. You only lose 2 back to back.
You resume after the next trigger following  the back to back losses wins.
And almost always after a bad sequence there is an increased back to back winning series.
That's where you need to start with a higher chip .
« Last Edit: May 26, 2017, 11:59:03 PM by palestis »
 
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Bread Winner
« Reply #534 on: May 27, 2017, 04:33:43 PM »
Terminator, would you like to explain the bread winner progression? Tried to Google bread winner progression but not much info.
Thank you.

Yes, there's not much info on the Bread Winner because nobody plays it! You need a LOT of patience.

Anyway, it is designed for ONLY EC bets, but it works great on Dozens without changing anything. Here's how it works. (you need paper, or keep notes on your computer).

Start by betting 1 unit. Your goal is to win ONE UNIT only. Every time you are up one unit, or tied with your last high, progression is over and you start again.

For each loss, you write "1". Keep betting 1 unit. For each win, you cross out the 1's.

EXAMPLES:

I have 3 losses:  111
1 win:  111
another loss:  1111
And another win: 1111

I am at even. Start again.

Now, once you have FIVE 1's written down. You increase your bets to 2 units: Let's say you have 7 losses:

1111122

NOW you get a win. You do NOT cross out the 2's yet, you start with the next lower bets. SO, four 1's would be eliminated:

1111122

NOW you win again. There are not enough 1's to cross out, so you cross out the 2's:

1111122

Which leaves 1 unit to recoup. You place another 2 units bet and win. You are 3 units up (that 4 unit win minus the 1 unit on paper).

NOW for the next level:

11111222223

You increase bets BY ONE UNIT after every 5 losses.

When you win a 3 unit bet, start by crossing out the 2's, but you REPLACE FOUR 2's with TWO 1's: so it will now look like this:

111111123

WARNING: If you cross out the 3's BEFORE the 2's, it will mess up the progression and it will not work.

If you win another 3 unit bet, this is what you cross out:
111111123

Start by crossing out the 2 and a 1, and since there are no more 2's left, cross out the 3. So it will look like this now:

11111

NOW that all the 2's are gone, DECREASE your bets from 3 units to 2 units.

Bet 2 units and WIN:

11111

Only 1 unit left. Bet 2 units again and lose:

12

Bet 2 units again and win: You are up 1 unit!

If you reach 4 unit bets, for each win you cross out four "3's" and replace them with two 2's. When all the 3's are gone, cross out the 4's. When 4's are gone, decrease bets to 3 units each.

If you reach 5 unit bets, for each win you cross out four "4's" and replace them with two 3's. When all the 4's are gone, cross out the 5's. When 5's are gone, decrease bets to 4 units each.

Good Luck!

 
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Re: NEW SYSTEM: SINGLE DOZEN
« Reply #535 on: May 27, 2017, 04:41:22 PM »
Hello Terminator  :D
I coded a version of the method like this:

Wow, thanks Drenek. Great job!

Can I ask you, would it be possible for you to add a feature so that when I press the F9 key, all the spins will automatically be randomly generated again? And also, can you put a graph, like the one posted above, inside that Excel document, to show the results of the next 5,000 spins?

Thanks again for all your awesome work!

Hello Terminator
No it is not possible to do this because it is not encoded with Excel.
I use the Xtrem Roulette software.
But with RX, I can test all possible permanence. I have more than a million number from real casino permanence.

However, I just found a small error in my code that I corrected. The results are a little different.
On the other hand I have a question concerning the progression: what do you do when you reach the maximum of permanence? You stop ? Do you start again in step 1?

Because during my tests on a permanence of 400 000 numbers, I was in positive the first 100 000 then I found myself in negative after 100 000 until reaching  -39336 unit.

Could you provide me with a 200-300-number line with your betting comments to confirm my code?
Thank you.

Drenek
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Re: NEW SYSTEM: SINGLE DOZEN
« Reply #536 on: May 27, 2017, 04:41:54 PM »
I've just run this system through wiesbaden of the 25th. 4 consecutive losses.

You are going to have lots of losses also. My worst game was 17 losses in a row, then after 1 win I had another 13 losses in a row. That is why I limit each game to 100 units lost.

I did not use virtual bets during my 12,200 spin test. However, I will take Palestis's advice and use Virtual Bets after 2 consecutive losses if betting for real money.
 
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Re: NEW SYSTEM: SINGLE DOZEN
« Reply #537 on: May 27, 2017, 05:00:29 PM »
I have a question concerning the progression: what do you do when you reach the maximum of permanence? You stop ? Do you start again in step 1?

Sorry, I don't know what you mean by "permanence." Can you rephrase?

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Could you provide me with a 200-300-number line with your betting comments to confirm my code?
Thank you.

Each game is completely different, and it may not address the specific questions you may have. I do things in my games which may confuse you. For example, I play both Dozens and Columns at the same time, which would be too difficult for most people. It would be easier if you just give me an example of a trigger that you have doubts about and I'll correct you if needed.

Also, there is really no "right" way of playing. You can change it to your liking. Which is why there's so many variations in this post.

You may have to change depending on where you play. For example, I am playing at an online casino right now, but I must CHANGE my strategy because I get kicked out of game for not betting often enough. So, I cannot play my XYY and XYY+3 trigger there. Also, instead of using the NEXT 3 spins for my trigger, I use HarryJ's method and play the previous 3 spins as my trigger, but still using all the Red Flag rules. This is the only way I can play without getting kicked off for inactivity.

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Re: NEW SYSTEM: SINGLE DOZEN
« Reply #538 on: May 27, 2017, 05:14:28 PM »

excuse me,
What you do when you reach the maximum of progression
In the example ... 32 32 64. you stop? Do you start again in step 1?
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Re: NEW SYSTEM: SINGLE DOZEN
« Reply #539 on: May 27, 2017, 05:52:01 PM »
Oh, I limit my games to a 100 unit loss. As long as my next bet does NOT take me over a 100 unit loss (if that bet would lose), then I keep going up the progression. If my next bet takes me OVER my 100 unit max, then I stop that game and start another from level 1.