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Re: NEW SYSTEM: SINGLE DOZEN
« Reply #270 on: March 31, 2017, 04:49:16 PM »
@ HarryJ.

Thank you, crystal clear now, as far as "pairs" and dozens.

So, you ignore the unnatural dozens, and only play the 15 "pairs" of natural dozens?

 (1-2)(1-3)(1-4)(1-5)(1-6)
 (2-3)(2-4)(2-5)(2-6)
 (3-4)(3-5){3-6)
 (4-5)(4-6)
 (5-6)

(Or do you only play 12 pairs?)

Okay, I follow you so far. But now the question follows, how do you determine, based upon previous spins, which of these "pairs" to bet on? It's not as simple as LMH now.

Also, can you repost your progression again? it starts 1-1-2-2-3. What do we do after the 5th bet is lost? Thank you.

Is this related to your other progression:

(1)3...3....6....6....18....12
(2)4...4....8...14...24....10

If so, I am having a problem making the connection between the two.

Thanks!
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Re: NEW SYSTEM: SINGLE DOZEN
« Reply #271 on: March 31, 2017, 04:53:44 PM »
        There are 9 possible pairs of DS that are made up of high and low DS. The advantage of this arrangement is that the dozens now have an equal number of red and black numbers odd and even numbers and high and low numbers. Natural dozens 1 and 3 consist of all low numbers or ll high numbers.

Nice analysis! :D

Another profound benefit of splitting up a larger "pre-made" selection!

"Betting a 12 numbers is always the same regardless of how you bet it."

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Re: NEW SYSTEM: SINGLE DOZEN
« Reply #272 on: March 31, 2017, 05:05:28 PM »
@ HarryJ

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There are 9 possible pairs of DS that are made up of high and low DS.

I understood when you said 15 pairs, and when you subtract the natural dozen, you get 12 pairs. But I might need a little clarification on the 9 possible pairs  of High Low Doz. In other words, when you take out the 3 natural dozen, you are left with 12 pairs. And out of these 12 pairs, 9 of them are made up of High and Low?

Okay, I think I follow.
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Re: NEW SYSTEM: SINGLE DOZEN
« Reply #273 on: March 31, 2017, 06:00:40 PM »
Okay, I follow you so far. But now the question follows, how do you determine, based upon previous spins, which of these "pairs" to bet on? It's not as simple as LMH now.

Actually, it is that simple. You could think of LMH each being made up of 2 DS's. L = DS1 (1-6) + DS2 (7-12), M = DS3 (13-18) + DS4 (19-24), H = DS5 (25-30) + DS6 (31-36).

To play any other set of "dozens", just take any of the other possible pairs and combine them. e.g. to take the pairs used in my tracker, "dozen" X could consist of DS1 + DS4, dozen Y could be DS2 + DS5, and dozen Z could be DS3 + DS6. All the DS's are represented and you have 3 "dozens" X, Y, and Z which you can track in just the same way as the standard dozens.
 
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Re: NEW SYSTEM: SINGLE DOZEN
« Reply #274 on: March 31, 2017, 06:03:13 PM »
@ Harry J

Okay, I'm following along with your Game #3 play now. It took me a while to understand, but I understand your betting method now, at least for the first 5 bets: 1-1-2-2-3. Not sure what to do after the 5th bet yet.

I followed your play up until spin #41

AT spin #40, which was roulette #3, you said:

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1L -9. t2.     Win to date +7 = -2,
 The basic outline should now be understandable I intend skipping over the numbers to speed things up.

So, you bet t2 next, and won in 1 spin. This is roulette #23. Which brought your total to 0 units. I understand this so far. Which is why you said:
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t2 w in 1 +2 overall total 0.

Now, after this, you bet t2 again. Starting with roulette spin #29. And, if I follow you, you said you won in 2 spins? When you said:

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t2 w n 2. +1

I am lost here, because the next 5 spins were:

29
34
28
35
34

Which were a loss for me. What am I missing? So, I cannot follow your game passed this point. I'll wait for your clarification, Harry.

Also, if you lose the first 5 bets of 1-1-2-2-3, it seems you repeat this same betting progression on your next bet. Is this correct?

Thanks!
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Re: NEW SYSTEM: SINGLE DOZEN
« Reply #275 on: March 31, 2017, 06:13:01 PM »
@ Bayes:

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"dozen" X could consist of DS1 + DS4, dozen Y could be DS2 + DS5, and dozen Z could be DS3 + DS6.

Thanks Bayes, I do understand this part. It makes sense. And I follow you. So, is this all there is? if so, issue settled. Thanks.

However, my confusion though, is how do the  15 "pairs" of natural dozens fit into the above?

 (1-2)(1-3)(1-4)(1-5)(1-6)
 (2-3)(2-4)(2-5)(2-6)
 (3-4)(3-5){3-6)
 (4-5)(4-6)
 (5-6)

We do not have to worry about betting on (1-3) above, for example? Or are the 15 pairs above for when someone wants to combine their own Dozens, other than the example you gave above? Thanks.
 

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Re: NEW SYSTEM: SINGLE DOZEN
« Reply #276 on: March 31, 2017, 06:38:12 PM »
Let's deal with the progression 1st. The machineI play on has a minimum of 5 units which can be made up of 5 bets of 1 unit. The smallest bet I can make on each DS is therefore 3 units. That is why my progression starts 3..3. 11223 is as near as I can get starting with 1 unit. It is really the same  progression. It just makes it easier for other players to understand.

   There are 6 sets of DS dozens that allow the high low arrangement.

14..25..36.
14..26..35
15..24..36
15..26..34
16..24..35
16..25..34

     There really isn't a great deal of difference in performance. It is mainly a matter of choosing one that works for you.
     Or you can make a whole load of wheel diagrams and compare the patterns formed and do endless tests to find which pattern works best. I have done this and I felt that 14..25..36. Or 16..24..35 semed to give the best results.

     The 5 bets are the complete progression. As I showed I don't need to increase the basic bet. The natural W/L ratio recovers losses without increasing the bet. If a progression is lost I just accept the loss and continue with the same progression. Which is in effect a flat bet.
     If plenty of B/R is available using a second or a 3rd level could be used. If I was to play professionally I would definitely use a second larger progression.
 
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Re: NEW SYSTEM: SINGLE DOZEN
« Reply #277 on: March 31, 2017, 09:15:44 PM »

1. bet 1 unit
2. bet 1 unit
3. bet 2 units

If the first bet wins, profit: 2 units.
If the second bet wins, profit: 1 unit.
If the third bet wins, profit: 2 units.
In each of these cases the progression begins new with the sequence: 1 - 1 - 2!

If the first 3 bets are lost, the next bet is determined as follows:with a negative balance between 4 to 9 units the balance is divided by 2,with a negative balance between 10 to 21 units the balance is divided by 3,with a negative balance between 22 to 100 units the balance is divided by 4,With a negative balance over 100 units the balance is divided by 5.

If the result of the division is not a whole number, then this number is always rounded up.

The progression starts always with a bet size of 1 unit!· 

Bet No. 1: 1 unit, in case of a win next bet 1 unit, in case of a loss:· 
Bet No. 2: 1 unit, in case of a win next bet 1 unit, in case of a loss:· 
Bet No. 3: 2 units, in case of a win next bet 1 unit, in case of a loss: 4 : 2 = 2· 
Bet No. 4: 2 units, in case of a win next bet 1 unit, in case of a loss 6 : 2 = 3· 
Bet No. 5: 3 units, in case of a win next bet 1 unit, in case of a loss 9 : 2 = 4.5 =5· 
Bet No. 6: 5 units, in case of a win next bet 1 unit, in case of a loss 14 : 3 = 4.66 = 5·  Bet No. 7: 5 units, in case of a win next bet 4 : 2 = 2 units, in case of a loss 19 : 3 = 6.33 = 7
Bet No. 8: and so fourth...

Now i've come up when a safe 20 step progression.

Bet 1   1
Bet 2   1
Bet 3   2
Bet 4   2
Bet 5   3     
6   5     
7   5     
8   7 
9   7     
10  9     
11  11     
12  14     
13  17     
14  21     
15  21     
16  25     
17  30     
18  36     
19  43     
20  50     Sum 310 units

Without going into too much detail at this stage, say if you won on Bet 10, and you will have -15 units. You will experience a net loss but then you assign that loss to the next equivalent bet that measures that sum, in this case Bet 6 and play on.

In the area in which I specialise there is an 83% chance of a successful strike in the first 4 attempts of the bet.So there is an improving chance of a closure of the net loss quite quickly as time goes on.

As always with this sort of approach you look to nullify the debt if possible within 2-3 attempts. Not always possible but this progression is cleverly designed to assist in that cause.
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Re: NEW SYSTEM: SINGLE DOZEN
« Reply #278 on: March 31, 2017, 09:24:56 PM »
@ Terminator.
Now that we cleared the LEVEL issue we can work on the progression.
At least I am now at ease, that we don't multiply your levels by 3. When you said 10 levels I was in shock, because I thought all along that it was 30 lost spins in succession.  Where a progression would  require a B/R only Bill Gates could afford.
I may have overlooked my rules at some points, in testing your numbers, but that shouldn't penalize the system so harshly.  One oversight, or a slight change in version should not render the system ineffective. 
I said repeatedly that once in a great while 3 back to back losses do happen. (that is 9 spins).
That is while testing. 
But in real play in a casino, we should keep our eyes open for situations that don't look right.
And those numbers from your test GAME #3 certainly raise eyebrows, because it was obvious that there was no sufficient mix of all dozens in XYZ or YXZ or ZYX form.
Instead,  there was many streaks of 2 dozens, and when the target dozen was to be bet on, it changed to streaks of another set of 2 dozen, excluding the target dozen.
These are things we have to watch out for, and move on to another roulette, or if you want to stay in one table, take a break until things become more normal.

In the case of 2 back to back losses (that's 6 spins) I don't see a problem as far as risk is concerned.
Anybody can handle 6 lost spins if the 3rd trigger is to be won.
it is when you run into 3 back to back losses that can be problematic.
I think after 2 back to back losses the tune must change to the recovery mode. Just to be safe.
Or raise the starting chip for the next few triggers until you are close to recovery .
But at the same time, while doing this you must get more picky about the triggers.
Like only pick triggers YXX immediately following  XYZ. Someone mentioned this idea and I find it brilliant, and it works.
Or you can undergo a VIRTUAL loss of an entire trigger before you bet the next one.
If 3 back to back losses are rare, and you lose the first one, (virtually), it is highly likely that the next will be won. And with a higher starting chip, recovery will be quicker.
But I am not an expert in progression. What I have concluded in testing this system, is that 3 back to back losses are rare and haven't seen anything beyond that.
Based on that we should concentrate on progression.
 
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Re: NEW SYSTEM: SINGLE DOZEN
« Reply #279 on: March 31, 2017, 11:47:22 PM »
Pales, I'm sure glad it was you who posted this thread and not me! It's turned into a full time job!  Lol, keep it going-
 
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Re: NEW SYSTEM: SINGLE DOZEN
« Reply #280 on: April 01, 2017, 01:12:10 AM »
@ HarryJ

Okay, it's becoming more clearer now. So, if I use Palestis's Dozen of XYZ, and I used your progression of 1-1-2-2-3. And I lost the 5th bet, that loss is just accepted. Then then next time I bet, I will start again with 1-1-2, etc.  I understand that.

However, in your case of your DS's, since you cannot put 1 unit down on your dozen, your base bet is 3 units each on both DS. Correct?

So, correct me if I'm wrong:

You bet on X, and this bet is 3 units on 1 DS, and 3 units on another DS. (Compared to the 1-1-2-2-3 progression, this is the first "1")

Bet is lost.

Now, you place 4 units on 1 DS, and 4 units on another DS. Is this correct? (Is this is equivalent to the second "1" in the 1-1-2-2-3 progression?)

Bet is lost.

Now, you place 5 units on 1 DS, and 5 units on another DS Is this correct? Is (Is this is equivalent to the first "2" in the 1-1-2-2-3 progression?).

Thanks for clarifying, Harry.
 

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Re: NEW SYSTEM: SINGLE DOZEN
« Reply #281 on: April 01, 2017, 01:15:26 AM »
Harry said you can use a steeper progression to recover if you are focused on generating a primary income or substantial amount of winnings.
 

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Re: NEW SYSTEM: SINGLE DOZEN
« Reply #282 on: April 01, 2017, 08:17:29 AM »

@Terminator,
                You seem to have got the progression difference right, Let's look at your question about play.
   At the 1st loss the sequence is(we were betting 3)
1
15
13
6
3L no hit in dozen 3.Last 3 spins 13.6.3 dozens 2.1.1.target doz 2
23w target now doz 2(6.3.23)
29
24w in 2 spins target now doz 3(23,29,24)
28w t now doz 2(29,24,28)
35
34
13w. t now doz 2(35,34,13)
  etc.
     I "backcount" ie use the last 3 numbers spun after a win or a loss. I believe this is important to maintain the flow. Which is an important part of this method. Pal plays intermmitently so only uses the flow to indicate "red flags" we adjusted the play to accommodate this. So he could play his normal style.
       Regards....Harry
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Re: NEW SYSTEM: SINGLE DOZEN
« Reply #283 on: April 01, 2017, 09:35:52 AM »
Some more results playing all 3 options at the same time on the tracker. Still not seen any consecutive losses > 4. I was using the Holloway progression and there was a tough stretch on the columns with the stake on them getting up to 19 units, but in the end made an overall profit of 38 units. I think the standard progression would have suffered badly playing the columns in this sequence, but haven't checked it.

p.s. you might need to rename the attached file with the .csv extension to open it in excel.
 
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Re: NEW SYSTEM: SINGLE DOZEN
« Reply #284 on: April 02, 2017, 03:00:46 PM »
Now to play through the same numbers using DS.14.25.36. as dozens. I'll use a slightly different format which should be easier to follow.

141. Nb all same doz
534. Nb all 3 doz
432. Nb all 3 doz
231. Nb all 3 doz
641. T3 w n 1 +2
413. T3 w n 1.+2
133. T1 w n 5.+0
521. T1 w n 2.+1
161. T3 w n 2.+1
153. Nb
332. T2 w n 5.+0
315. Nb
113. T3 w n 1.+2
133. T1 w n 1.+2
331. T1 w n 1.+2
311. T3 w n 5.+0
456. Nb
631. T1 w n 3.+2
664. T1 w n 1.+2
641. T3 w n 2.+1
153.. Nb
231. Nb
565. T3 w n 1.+2
653. T2 w n 3.+2
645. Nb
565. T3 w n 2.+1
543. Nb
331. T1 L. Win to date 22-9=13

366. Nb
513. Nb
644. T3 w n 1.+2
443. T3 w n 3.+1
316. T1 L. Win to date 16-9=7
665. T2 w n 3.+2
312. Nb
156. Nb
363. Nb
444. Nb
563. T2 w n 2.+1
332. T2 w n 2.+1
242. T1 w n 2.+1
254. T1 w n 1.+2
541. T2 w n 1.+2
412. T2 w n 3.+2
665. T2 L.  Win to date 18-9=9

136. T1 w n 2.+1
641. T3 w n 3.+2
146. T3 w n 3.+2
453. Nb
155. T1 w n 3.+2
561. Nb
631. T1 w n 4.+0
364. T1 w n 5,+0
324. Nb
265. T3 w n 1.+2
656. T2 w n 1.+2
562. T3 w n 1.+2
626. T2 w n 2.+1
632. T2 w n 2.+1
245. T1 w n 1.+2
454. T2 w n 4.+0
162. Nb
416. T1 w n 3.+2
524. T1 w n 2.+1
454. T2 L.   Win to date 29-9=20

643. T1 w n 3.+2
524. T1 w n 5.+0
351. Nb
136. T1 w n 2.+1
654. Nb
423. Nb
232. T3 w n 1.+2
323. T2 w n 2.+1
335. T2 w n 1.+2 EOS
 Total win plus 28.
    The ability of the W/L ratio to more than recover without a bet increase is clearly demonstrated.

       Harry

 
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