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Re: NEW SYSTEM: SINGLE DOZEN
« Reply #195 on: March 26, 2017, 11:39:44 AM »
@ Bayes,
            The single zero seems to be a balanced situation. I started playing g that way, but as data built up I found it could be ignored.
     Obviously the starting bet depends on how the minimum bet is structured. At my casino the inside bets can be made up of 5 x1u bets to make a table minimum of 5u. Therefore the basic bet is 3u on each DS
BET  = TOTAL..PAYOUT..PROFIT/LOSS.

(1)3...3....6....6....18....12
(2)4...4....8...14...24....10
(3)5...5...10..24...30.....6
(4)6...6...12..36...36.....0
(5) 9...9..18..54...54.....0 or (5)8...8...16..52...48...-4

   This type of bet can be juggled endlessly. Depending on results obtained by research and the W/L ratio achieved. In the current case the bulk of the wins occur within 3 spins. The added bets merely improve the W/L ratio and make back to back losses less likely.This enables me to play without an6 increase to my basic bet, after a loss. While even a small increase recovers very quickly.
     While this trigger was invented to take advantage of the "flow"
 
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Re: NEW SYSTEM: SINGLE DOZEN
« Reply #196 on: March 26, 2017, 11:47:35 AM »
While this method was invented to take advantage of the "flow". On a professional level it works best with intermitant play as advised by Pal and jekd76. That way it is easier to pick out the maybe triggers and increase certainty.
            The original name I gave to this trigger was the "ODD DOZEN" . I don't suppose it matters what you call it. As long as you win.
 
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Re: NEW SYSTEM: SINGLE DOZEN
« Reply #197 on: March 26, 2017, 12:59:46 PM »
tonight i start my 10 days trial at lvl 2 (2u Base bet) stop loss at +50 /-100 with a bank of 200-250
try it the way i said and come back on this. have a great sunday friends. - Eddy

ABSOLUTELY GRATS DEWD!

 
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Re: NEW SYSTEM: SINGLE DOZEN
« Reply #198 on: March 26, 2017, 01:32:04 PM »
Palestis, your reply #187 is VERY confusing to me. There must be some kind of mis-communication. I am not receiving a clear answer from you. Both Bayes and I are confused.

Please allow me to ask my question in a different way.  I THINK I know the answers, just need verification. I hope you can simply tell me what YOU would do in this situation, so that we may take advantage of the RED FLAGS you gave us. Okay? (I'll give you my answers at end of post)

All spins prior to this example were normal, and no zeros were spun:

12 L
10 L
5 L
16 M
18 M
36 H
20 M
1 L
2 L

Now, there is a STREAK of 3 L's.

QUESTION 1: Can you simply tell me SPECIFICALLY what the FIRST trigger is when taking into account your Red Flags?

QUESTION #2: Can you tell me what the SECOND trigger is?

QUESTION #3: Which trigger do we bet on in the above example?

Ok . Here is what I would do:
The first trigger to bet would be 16-18-36. Betting 3 spins targeting H,  brings 20-1-2.
(level-1 loss).
Then there is no 2nd trigger to use. I have to wait for new fresh numbers, because 20-1-2 were already used as the result of  actual bets. (therefore 20-1-2 cannot be a trigger).
The reason I used 16-18-36 ( despite LLL above it), was because the XX (16-18) was unrelated to the LLL. In  addition, the Y ( target dozen) was also unrelated to the LLL. 
Don't worry, eventually the confusion will be cleared.
As Jekhb76 has mentioned, he only run into  level-3  losses, and I am sure that it doesn't happen very often to him. Which coincides with my long term tests.
Also, I have to  mention that a friend of mine plays the same system with a twist,
But what he does is, he lets the 3 bets lose VIRTUALLY in the first trigger he encounters.
Then he bets the very next trigger he encounters. 
It takes more time to play that way, but it  increases his certainty.
So there is plenty of flexibility in playing this system.

PS: I think a have an idea where the confusion comes from.
As you pick the 1st trigger don't forget that this trigger  requires 3 bets. So don't go back and pick another trigger involving prior numbers especially those who were used as the result of the 3 bets.
We start with fresh numbers by waiting for the roulette to spin them.
Or better yet, we move to another roulette table

« Last Edit: March 26, 2017, 02:02:13 PM by palestis »
 
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Re: NEW SYSTEM: SINGLE DOZEN
« Reply #199 on: March 26, 2017, 02:57:20 PM »
Help. I need Clarification
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The first trigger to bet would be 16-18-36. Betting 3 spins targeting H,  brings 20-1-2.
(level-1 loss).
Then there is no 2nd trigger to use. I have to wait for new fresh numbers, because 20-1-2 were already used as the result of  actual bets. (therefore 20-1-2 cannot be a trigger).
The reason I used 16-18-36 ( despite LLL above it), was because the XX (16-18) was unrelated to the LLL. In  addition, the Y ( target dozen) was also unrelated to the LLL. 

Okay. Palestis, did you change your method since you first began posting on this thread? Your answer above is totally different than what you told us to do at the beginning of this thread. This is why I am so confused. I have been using your method as you described it in the beginning.

I am going to quote 2 of your earlier posts (because this is how I've been playing). Then I will return to your answer above.

Both of the following quotes relate to your RULE #1 of your Red Flags, which states:

RULE #1: "If the same dozen appears more than 3+ times immediately preceding the trigger (it's a sign of anomaly that can affect the rest of the dozens)."

First Quote:
Palestis Reply #5

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Yes 3+ repeats preceding the trigger, is a cause of concern. All you have to do is wait idle a few more spins, to break the streak.

My Interpretation:
This tells me, after a sequence such as:

12 L
10 L
5 L

Then, we WAIT 3 more spins BEFORE choosing our first trigger. So, if the following 3 spins AFTER the LLL streak were a VALID TRIGGER (no matter if it had an L in it or not), then we SKIP the first trigger and proceed to the SECOND trigger.

Confirmation of this is in the following post:

Second Quote:
Palestis Reply #39   

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If there is a sequence of numbers like 25-30-27-32-10-8-21 you avoid betting the 10-8-21 trigger (too many numbers in the 3rd dozen  preceding  the trigger). Indicating a streak that might continue in a dozen that is not the target.

So, the above spins, from your example, would look like:

25 H
30 H
27 H
32 H
(All the above spins are a streak of 3+, which means we skip the first trigger)
10 L
8 L
21 M


This is the first trigger (in red). Even though "M" would be bet, and not H (the streak of dominant dozens), we still skip this first trigger and proceed to the SECOND trigger.

This is what you told us earlier, Palestis. And this is how I've been playing all my games for the passed few weeks.

NOW, if we compare your above posts with your recent answer to my example of the following scenario:

12 L
10 L
5 L
16 M
18 M
36 H

20 M
1 L
2 L


According to your above 2 posts, we are supposed to SKIP the first trigger (in red) even if it does NOT have the dominant dozen within it.

But instead, you are now telling me the opposite:

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The first trigger to bet would be 16-18-36. Betting 3 spins targeting H, The reason I used 16-18-36 ( despite LLL above it), was because the XX (16-18) was unrelated to the LLL.

This seems to contradict your quotes from your posts # 5 and #39, where you SKIPPED the FIRST trigger, whether they were related to the Streak of Dominant Dozens or not.

Can you please clarify this? Thank you. If you changed your strategy, that's fine. I just want to understand the basics of WHAT the first trigger IS after a sequence of 3+.

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I think a have an idea where the confusion comes from. As you pick the 1st trigger don't forget that this trigger  requires 3 bets.

Yes, I am aware of that, Palestis. And if the first 2 bets are a repeat of the dominant dozen, then we only make 2 bets instead of 3. RULE #2 from your Red Flags, yes?

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Re: NEW SYSTEM: SINGLE DOZEN
« Reply #200 on: March 26, 2017, 03:12:12 PM »
Yes that is what i do also. I never use a dozen for a trigger from a previous bet. i always start with a fresh set of three numbers. When a zero is part of those new numbers, i let that go by also and wait again for a fresh new bet.
It takes indeed more time, but it will benefit at the end.

Regarding my business plan i mentioned earlier; Because i'm trying to be a professional roulette player and try to make my living out of it (no i don't need the money for my family to survive) we can live from my wife's income.
But i want to make sure i rule everything out as much as i can and i have now the starting capital to do so.
I'm changing tactics.

The last weeks i won in total over 1100 euro with roulette and 90% with this system.

I have calculated that a 7 back to back loss would come once in a lifetime, but i don't want (when it does happen)
to ruin my investment.

As i told before, I have a business plan. well from now on i want to be able to cover that once in a lifetime event.

so i recommend the following (you don't need to do it this way, it's just my safety net)

This is what i've changed.
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I play 1 level every 2 months:

Level 1: €1 Base Bet.
Target €25  Bank €260     Safety Bank €260 TB €520   x 50 Days  €1250,- Profit. Max B/B losses Possible: 7

Level 2: €2 Base Bet.
Target €50  Bank €520     Safety Bank €520 TB €1040 x 50 Days  €2500,- Profit. Max B/B losses Possible: 7

Level 3: €3 Base Bet.
Target €75  Bank €780     Safety Bank €780  TB €1560 x 50 Days  €3750,- Profit. Max B/B losses Possible: 7

Level 4: €4 Base Bet.
Target €100 Bank €1040  Safety Bank €1040 TB €2080 x 50 Days €5000,- Profit. Max B/B losses Possible 7

After 8 months I earn around 100 euro a day. 2000 euro a month and I'm prepared for that once in a lifetime event of 7 back to back losses.

I may change this over time to make it even better, but for now i'm ready.
Tonight I start my lvl 2 for the next 2 months. Keep you all posted. Eddy

 
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Re: NEW SYSTEM: SINGLE DOZEN
« Reply #201 on: March 26, 2017, 03:29:36 PM »
@ Bayes,
(1)3...3....6....6....18....12
(2)4...4....8...14...24....10

Hi Harry, thanks for sharing your 5 step progression. But I'm not sure I understand what all the figures mean. I think I may be a little slow. Can you clarify the following?

(1) 3...3....6....6....18....12

My understanding is that this is spin #1, and you bet 3 units on each of the 2 Dozens (that the 3...3 in the above line).

I'm unclear as to the following numbers, though..."6....6....18....12." Can you clarify?

And I am assuming for spin Number 2, you increase your bets to 4 units each if spin #1 lost?

(2)4...4....

Thank you for clarifying this.
 
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Re: NEW SYSTEM: SINGLE DOZEN
« Reply #202 on: March 26, 2017, 05:14:53 PM »
The way I'm treating the "red flag" stuff is not too technical. I could drive myself crazy with it.
I've got a pretty good handle on what to watch out for.....so I basically scan the immediate prior results for anything that looks "screwy". I like the dozens to flow nice and somewhat blase' (a "normal" XXY/XYX/XYY type pattern - if you will). I move on past zeroes, packs of same dozens, clusters, and other anomalies. I want to get to the point to where I can glance at a certain number of results and decide whether it's a go, or a no-go.
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OPEN QUESTION
« Reply #203 on: March 26, 2017, 07:23:33 PM »
OPEN QUESTION TO ALL . . . Please help clarify the TRIGGERS
Hi Sheridan44, thanks for your reply. I have a good idea as to what to look out for also. And BEFORE we place a BET, we look for a TRIGGER. Correct? This whole method is based upon the TRIGGERS. Now, I know WHAT a trigger is. That's no problem.

My problem comes down to this: I cannot get a straight answer as to where the triggers are. That's all! I get a difference answer every time I ask! Maybe it's my autism preventing me from understanding, I don't know.

Can I post an OPEN question to everyone? Everyone in this thread, can you PLEASE tell me what you would do in the following situation? Give me your thoughts? Please help clarify this for me?

HERE is the situation UP TO THIS POINT in the roulette spins:

All spins prior to this example were normal, and no zeros were spun. Everything has been going great! Our last spin we WON. Then, we get the following spins:

12 L
10 L
5 L
16 M
18 M
36 H
20 M
1 L
2 L

QUESTION #1: Where SPECIFICALLY is the FIRST trigger? (i.e., MMH?)

QUESTION #2: Where SPECIFICALLY is the SECOND trigger? (i.e., MHM or MLL?)

QUESTION #3: Which trigger do we use to place our bet? (1st, 2nd, or wait for another?)

Feel free to expand on your replies. I already gave my answers in REPLY #190 (at bottom of post). Thank you for giving me yours, and for helping me understand.
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Re: NEW SYSTEM: SINGLE DOZEN
« Reply #204 on: March 26, 2017, 08:23:27 PM »
@Terminator

12 L
10 L  First Trigger)
05 L  Second Trigger)
16 M  This is your first bet - Bet 1 unit)
18 M  WON on your first spin +2 units)

36 H  No bet, because first M and second M is also from previous bet

20 M  This is your bet - bet 1 unit (there were also 2 M's from a previous bet, but i didn't had any problem betting like this in the last few thousand spins. as long as there are not more then 2 of the same dozen prior, there shouldn't be any problem.

01 L  First Trigger
02 L  First Trigger (at this point you now know that your last M will be the betting dozen.
Now you bet 1 unit on M

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Re: NEW SYSTEM: SINGLE DOZEN
« Reply #205 on: March 26, 2017, 10:03:55 PM »
@Eddy

Did I miss something?

Where is the single dozen at 12-10-5 ?

I hope you are succesfull with your strategy!
 
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Re: NEW SYSTEM: SINGLE DOZEN
« Reply #206 on: March 26, 2017, 11:52:16 PM »
Help. I need Clarification
I am going to quote 2 of your earlier posts (because this is how I've been playing). Then I will return to your answer above.

Both of the following quotes relate to your RULE #1 of your Red Flags, which states:

RULE #1: "If the same dozen appears more than 3+ times immediately preceding the trigger (it's a sign of anomaly that can affect the rest of the dozens)."

First Quote:
Palestis Reply #5

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Yes 3+ repeats preceding the trigger, is a cause of concern. All you have to do is wait idle a few more spins, to break the streak.

My Interpretation:
This tells me, after a sequence such as:

12 L
10 L
5 L

Then, we WAIT 3 more spins BEFORE choosing our first trigger. So, if the following 3 spins AFTER the LLL streak were a VALID TRIGGER (no matter if it had an L in it or not), then we SKIP the first trigger and proceed to the SECOND trigger.

Hi:
I understand that attention to detail and exactness of action, is important to you, and that's good.
Yes you are right. I said in  past posts that if there is a sequence of the same dozen for 3+ spins in a row, we skip the very first trigger that comes along. But I specified ( or at least what I meant),  a trigger  immediately following  the streak without new numbers interruptions . Which happen to be the very first 3 numbers that  formed a trigger exactly after the streak.
BUT if a few numbers passed by, after the streak, WITHOUT FORMING A TRIGGER, then you don't have to skip the first trigger you encounter further down,  and wait for the second. The exception is if the 3 numbers immediately after the streak form a trigger XXY where X and Y were not numbers that belonged in the streak.
In this case we can bet the first trigger even if it follows immediately after the streak.
Example-1:    12,10, 5, 22,23,35.
Yes in this case we can play after the very first trigger 22,23,35, even if it followed  the LLL streak.
Because neither 22,23 were part of the LLL streak, and neither the target H dozen was part of the streak.

Example-2:    12,10,5,31,32,4. In this case WE SKIP THE FIRST TRIGGER. 31-32-4.
Because the target dozen is the L. (and that was the dozen that was in the streak. That's the most important rule). it makes sense not to chase something that was already in a streak by itself.

Example-3:    12,10, 5, 30, 4,8. The trigger is 30,4,8 and the target is the H. But since 4,and 8 were numbers from the streak we skip this trigger. (this is not a rule as strong as the rule in example -2.
But I would skip it. If another player wanted to proceed with this trigger it's ok and  up to his discretion. It's not a strong departure from the rule because the target dozen is not the dozen that was in  the streak).

Example-4:   12,10,5,30,22,7, 32,35,. The very first trigger after the LLL is 7- 32- 35,
In this case we bet the 1ST TRIGGER. No need to skip it and look for the 2nd trigger.
Because after the LLL the new numbers broke the streak and things are back to normal.

Example-5:   Trigger is 31,32,20. if after the first 2 bets we get 33,34 we stop and only lose 2 spins. Because after an XXY if the first 2 spins are again XX it indicates some type of anomaly. So better save the money that was going to go to the 3rd spin (which is the most expensive out of the 3 progressive bets).
I think I made it a little more clear now.
If in my tests I didn't follow this exact procedure, take it as a mistake.
I may not pay too much attention, simply because no matter how you do it,  there should never be too many back 2 back losses. Like more than the already rare 3.
Let me know if it is more clear now.

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Re: NEW SYSTEM: SINGLE DOZEN
« Reply #207 on: March 27, 2017, 07:27:06 AM »
Example-1:    12,10, 5, 22,23,35.
Yes in this case we can play after the very first trigger 22,23,35, even if it followed  the LLL streak.
Because neither 22,23 were part of the LLL streak, and neither the target H dozen was part of the streak.

Sorry to muddy the waters, but according to rule #1 in your first post in the thread, this should be avoided:

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1. If the same dozen appears repeatedly immediately preceding the trigger. (it's a sign of anomaly that can affect the rest of the dozens).

When Reyth asked what "repeatedly" means, you said 3+ times. Rule #2 is the one which says you should skip a trigger if it contains an outcome which was in the preceding streak. This is what prompted me to suggest that rules #1 and #2 amount to the same thing, namely "skip a trigger if there is a streak of 3+ prior to it", because whether the streak has an outcome in the trigger or not, you skip the trigger.

Anyway, this is how my tracker is coded, but probably best to wait until you've done some tests with it before recommending any changes.
 
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Re: NEW SYSTEM: SINGLE DOZEN
« Reply #208 on: March 27, 2017, 08:27:45 AM »
After 12-10-5 I play 6 units on High, 2  units on DS 13/18 ,1unit on street 7/9, 1 unit on street 1/3.
If the zero has not fallen in the past 50 spins and the unit  is 10 euro, I place also one 0,1 unit on the zero

After 5-16-18 , 6 units High, 1 unit street 1/3 and7/9, 22 units on DS 10/15. Both wagers have a profit of 20% .

A repeater in a DS is a same trigger. The difference you can start the wager with 5 units in stead of 10 units.

After a no hit on a DS trigger I double the bet.

The goal is to win 5 units per hour playing on 4 tables. The no hits decrease the profit %%.
 

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Re: NEW SYSTEM: SINGLE DOZEN
« Reply #209 on: March 27, 2017, 12:04:43 PM »


Just doing a bit more testing prior to sending the tracker to Palestis for beta testing. The system continues to perform strongly, and it's nice to have 3 options to choose from. The yellow labels at the top of each bet show the current balance for that selection.
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