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Re: NEW SYSTEM: SINGLE DOZEN
« Reply #180 on: March 26, 2017, 12:03:38 AM »
Bayes, I feel confident I have a strong handle on Palestis's Method now. If you still need clarification for the programming your doing on your tracker, feel free to PM or E-mail me if your concerns are not being cleared up on this thread. I'll be happy to help clear the air.

This was very confusing for me too, but I understand now. Thanks again Palestis!
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Re: NEW SYSTEM: SINGLE DOZEN
« Reply #181 on: March 26, 2017, 12:08:06 AM »
If I may ask one more question. In a situation like this:

MMMLLLHHH

I would SKIP the first trigger, but after the SECOND trigger I would NOT bet on "H" correct? I would be looking to bet on either M or L. Yes? (Even though both L and H had a streak, but they are older than the M streak).

Thanks again! I am so excited. Even though I have NEVER had a losing session when I was playing WRONG, I can only imagine how much better it will be now!
From the sequence you gave me the first trigger is MML. (correct?)  (which by the way won in the first bet as L came).
The second trigger is LLH (correct?). Which it also won in the first bet, with the second H.
As you can see both triggers have a target as the  dozen that it was not predominant in the previous spins. Technically you can bet both triggers. But just to be on the safe side you can skip the whole sequence and wait for a few more numbers to break this repetitive sequence.
Since you said that after importing the numbers in the excel sheet, you process it manually, you can easily skip spins when the sequence looks pepetitive.
You mentioned that in the sequence MMMLLLHHH the L and H steak was older than the M streak.
Can you confirm that, because to me it look like the M streak is older.
 

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Re: NEW SYSTEM: SINGLE DOZEN
« Reply #182 on: March 26, 2017, 12:21:33 AM »
@ Terminator.
Is this the 32 units that you bet on game 8?
Where does the start  of betting occur on the excel sheet? And do you underline the trigger?
Is it where you have the l,h,m
I'd like to understand how you use the sheet.
 

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Re: NEW SYSTEM: SINGLE DOZEN
« Reply #183 on: March 26, 2017, 12:40:14 AM »
Hi Palestis, on the Excel Sheet, I will use spin #84 to explain my actions.

Under the "BET" column, I placed an "L". This means that at spin #84, I will start betting for "L" for no more than 3 spins. The 3 spins immediately PRIOR to spin #84 is the trigger I am betting on (in this case, LMM).

The ORIG column are the bets I lose and won. "-32" means I bet 32 units and lost (being the 6th level reached). At spin #85, I won, so the number 64 is colored green (profit from a 32 unit bet).

The "$O" column is a running count of the HIGH I reached for the game as it progresses. Which is why I only enter a number here on each win. I get this number automatically from the running total on the top right of this document.

I hope this clarifies it? If not, I'll be happy to explain more.

I have an updated Excel sheet, which is basically the same but easier to use. It ONLY focuses on the Dozens, and ONLY on your progression. And your progression is listed in an easy to see manner. And the "Highest Level, Bet, and Debt" is available as well. I have attached a blank document here for your use.

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Re: NEW SYSTEM: SINGLE DOZEN
« Reply #184 on: March 26, 2017, 12:48:57 AM »
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Palestis, I thought I had a grip on your method. I have a clarification question concerning the MMMLLLHHH question.

I was under the impression that if a series of 3+ appears, then we IGNORE that "streak of 3" for a trigger. In other words, the first MMM we would ignore, and not use any of those M's for a trigger.

The reason I say this is because of your statement in REPLY #161. Please clarify.

This is what I asked:

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17   M   
19   M   
15   M   
16   M   
18   M   (All of these M's are ignored, and we SKIP the first trigger after these M's, Correct?)
12   L   (12-18-32 below is not a trigger, Correct? So we try for another trigger starting with #18, correct?)
18   M   
32   H   
17   M

And you replied:

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The sequence M was 17-19-15-16-18. Yes we skip the first trigger 18-32-17).


So, in this example, we both ignored MMMMM as far as the trigger is concerned. And we only look at possible triggers AFTER the MMM sequence ends. Otherwise, you would have said:

(M)
(M)
(M)
16 M
18 M
12 L


Is the first trigger. But you skipped all the M's, and agreed that "18-32-17" was the first trigger.

Which is why I am now confused about your MMMLLLHHH response.

QUESTION: Why are you using "MML" as the first trigger in the MMMLLLHHH sequence? But in reply #161, you did NOT use:

16 M
18 M
12 L

as the first trigger in the MMMMML sequence???

Please clarify this. This is where Bayes and I are at an impasse. Thank you.

PS. Yes, I made a typo. The M and L  streaks are older than the H streak in the MMMLLLHHH example I gave. My bad.
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Re: NEW SYSTEM: SINGLE DOZEN
« Reply #185 on: March 26, 2017, 01:40:48 AM »
@Terminator.
I will study your questions and will post back.
But I want to say something very important.
The only reason I came up with the so called red flags is because during my lengthy tests I only run into one or maybe 2  4 back to back losses. 3 were rare as well.
Your  game #18, I processed it without paying attention to any red flags. 
Straight thru without looking what came before the trigger.
And as you can see from the picture,  it came out just fine. Only a couple level 2 losses and just a few single level losses.
I find it strange that in this game you observed 8 level losses.
Study  my results and compare them to the way you tested it.
I very  much doubt that the precautions you were observing caused the level 8 loss.
I really find it very strange that you came up with a level 8 loss.
Here is the thing.
If you can handle an occasional, yet rare,   level 3 loss and in extremely rare occasions a level 4 loss, then you don't need to watch out for any red flags.
As I said the only reason I stipulated them is to avoid running into a level 4 loss even if that happens in extremely rare occasions.
You seemed to have handled level 6 losses and level 8 losses well  and you still prevailed.
Rest assured that ignoring any red flags you will never see anything above level 4. And that will take long time to see it.
Look at the picture and you will see that I circled every trigger I run into. Regardless of what came before the trigger. Game #18 would've been a complete success had it been played in a real casino.
Let me know
 

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Re: NEW SYSTEM: SINGLE DOZEN
« Reply #186 on: March 26, 2017, 02:07:36 AM »
Thank you, I'll study your game. At a cursory glance, it looks pretty close to the REDO game I already did on this. But I will study it closely.

Again, the reason my games were getting high on the progression was because I was having trouble understanding some of your methods. (For example, when there was a streak of M's, I would still bet on "M" after the next trigger. I had no idea I was NOT supposed to do this).

Anyway, Bayes and I look forward to your reply to my previous post. Thanks for attaching this game for me to study!
 

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Re: NEW SYSTEM: SINGLE DOZEN
« Reply #187 on: March 26, 2017, 02:43:42 AM »
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QUESTION: Why are you using "MML" as the first trigger in the MMMLLLHHH sequence? But in reply #161, you did NOT use:

16 M
18 M
12 L

as the first trigger in the MMMMML sequence???

Please clarify this. This is where Bayes and I are at an impasse. Thank you.

Your attention to detail is remarkable and that's one of the best virtues in roulette.
In the sequence you gave me MMMLLLHHH I didn't really say that  I was going to use MML as the first trigger. I simply meant that this would've been the 1st trigger if everything was to be ignored. (which coincidentally won). I also said that the 2nd trigger would've been the LLH (again if we ignored  any red flags). And I said afterwards  that I would skip the entire series until  a more normal sequence showed up that complied with the rules. I guess I tried to make the distinction between pointing out a trigger, as opposed to pointing it out and using it.
As far as my #161 post where I didn't use the 16-18-12 trigger which contradicts  my statement in the MMMLLLHHH example  (  if I actually used MML), maybe it was an oversight. Or simply I wanted to get away from the M streak. If I used 16-18-12 in that test the result would've been 2 back to back losses. Then back to normal after that.
As I said before skipping a trigger by mistake or using a trigger that was supposed to be avoided, should not penalize the system, by causing it to crash. It's not an accounting balance sheet where one mistake will screw up an entire financial statement.  A good system should easily overcome  an interruption from a continuous flow.  Otherwise it's not a good system. 
And a witness to this fact is the Game#18 which I processed and displayed it in the previous post.
I ignored all red flags and still came out a champion. 
You need to study it carefully and see what you did differently to come up with the  level 8 loss.

 
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Re: NEW SYSTEM: SINGLE DOZEN
« Reply #188 on: March 26, 2017, 03:22:30 AM »
@Terminator
I also processed the Game# 18 again, but this time with attention paid to the red flags.
As you can see the results were equally good, with the added bonus a second level 2 loss did not happen. (which happened in the previous all inclusive test).
However there were lesser betting and winning opportunities, compared to the first test posted above. But in real life with many roulettes under observation the betting opportunities would increase.  If you see a strange sequence, rather than waiting and wondering what to do, you move on to another table where things are normal.
And that's what the red flags are all about. To avoid back to back level 3 losses, Because level 4 is extremely rare. Level 5 I have yet to see it.

 
 
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Re: NEW SYSTEM: SINGLE DOZEN
« Reply #189 on: March 26, 2017, 06:18:26 AM »
Hi Palestis, I just got home and am about to go over your notes to Games #18. After I study it, I'll get back to you.

In the meantime, let me tell you specifically what I ORIGINALLY did in Game #18 (actually, the first 20 games I played), to arrive at the 8th level, in case you were really wondering. I know exactly what I did (and I mentioned this already in a previous post). There were 3 main reasons.

FIRST: When there was any streak of 3+ (i.e., MMM), I would skip the entire streak, and I would not use ANY of those numbers for my first trigger. I would only use the FOLLOWING three spins for a possible trigger.

I now realize that you CAN use the M's from this streak for the next trigger, depending. (i.e., MMML). Actually, I'm not so sure now...waiting on your clarification.

SECOND: If a Trigger had to be skipped (i.e., 5, 17, 15), I would SKIP ALL 3 NUMBERS, and wait for the NEXT 3 spins to see if that triggered.

I now realize I can use numbers from that SKIPPED trigger, and use those as part of my NEXT trigger (i.e., 5, 17, 15, 36). Isn't this correct, Palestis?

THIRD: When there was a streak (i.e, MMM), I did not know I was NOT supposed to bet on that dominant Dozen.

I now realize I AVOID betting on that dominant dozen the next time I make a bet.

Quite a few of my games got pretty high in the progression by doing this. If you look at the bets I made, you will see this is how I got to the 8th level. Anyway, I'll get back to you when I finish looking at your work on Game #18
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Re: NEW SYSTEM: SINGLE DOZEN
« Reply #190 on: March 26, 2017, 06:47:17 AM »
Palestis, your reply #187 is VERY confusing to me. There must be some kind of mis-communication. I am not receiving a clear answer from you. Both Bayes and I are confused.

Please allow me to ask my question in a different way.  I THINK I know the answers, just need verification. I hope you can simply tell me what YOU would do in this situation, so that we may take advantage of the RED FLAGS you gave us. Okay? (I'll give you my answers at end of post)

All spins prior to this example were normal, and no zeros were spun:

12 L
10 L
5 L
16 M
18 M
36 H
20 M
1 L
2 L

Now, there is a STREAK of 3 L's.

QUESTION 1: Can you simply tell me SPECIFICALLY what the FIRST trigger is when taking into account your Red Flags?

QUESTION #2: Can you tell me what the SECOND trigger is?

QUESTION #3: Which trigger do we bet on in the above example?

That's all for now. Thank you.

My Answers FOLLOW:

Answer #1: 1st trigger:
16 M
18 M
36 H

Answer #2: 2nd trigger:
For the passed few weeks, I thought it would be:

20 M
1 L
2 L

But now, from your prior replies, I think the answer might be:

18 M
36 H
20 M

Answer #3:which trigger do we bet?
Well, if the SECOND trigger is MHM, we bet the SECOND trigger for "M.
BUT if the SECOND trigger is "MLL" We SKIP this second trigger, because we cannot bet "L" because of the streak of L's. So, we find a THIRD trigger, and bet for M or H.

I have a question about the game #18 you played, but I'll wait for your reply to this first, Palestis. Thanks!

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Re: NEW SYSTEM: SINGLE DOZEN
« Reply #191 on: March 26, 2017, 07:05:25 AM »
         I am strongly against the type of progression that Bayes suggested. I believe that type of progression works best with "sleeper" triggers. My choice is definitely a Marty, but my definition of a Marty may not be the same as your's. To me a marty is any progression that ENDS with a single win. EVEN IF THE OVERALL RESULT IS A LOSS. eg. 1,2,4,8/15 is a 4step Marty costing 1 u. 1,2,3,5/11a 4 step Marty costing 11u. Steps 1 & 2 win 1u step 3 breaks even and 4 loses 1 u. As roulette is essentially an even game the difference between the total loss of 4 units and the loss of 1u on bet 4 represents a bottom line gain. Even if the break even at bet 3 is considered we still have a substantial gain. Even more important 75% of our 1st 2 bets can be expected to win. An even bigger gain.
Bayes seems to understand "insurance" betting. Perhaps he can explain it better than I.

I can add a "custom progression" option on the tracker. This will be defined in separate text files (one for each doz/col/DS). This would give a lot of flexibility; you could even include initial zero stakes in the progression which would simulate "virtual" bets. The default progression is currently the standard 1,1,2,2,2,4,4... increasing after a loss and remaining fixed after a win assuming you're not at new high balance. However, you can override this behaviour by clicking on any value in the progression list which will set the next stake to the currently selected value.

BTW, I need a name for the tracker, and since the system itself doesn't have one and it seems to have been designed jointly by Palestis and Harry, how about "Palestis harry Dozen" system - the PhD System, or "Dr. Dozen".  ;D
 
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Re: NEW SYSTEM: SINGLE DOZEN
« Reply #192 on: March 26, 2017, 07:09:24 AM »
I choose the PhD SYSTEM, because I'm going to need to visit one soon if I don't figure this damn thing out!  :o
 
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Re: NEW SYSTEM: SINGLE DOZEN
« Reply #193 on: March 26, 2017, 07:23:15 AM »
        The main difference between my play and Pals is that I use DS to form "unatural" dozens, and I use a 5 spin progression.

Hi Harry. I'm just curious what your 5 spin progression looks like. Can you share it? I love experimenting with different progressions. Thanks!

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I also restart after MMM.LLL.HHH. or MHL or zero.eg. MMM/restart.

Very smart. This is the way I've been playing too (except I ignore single zeros).
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Re: NEW SYSTEM: SINGLE DOZEN
« Reply #194 on: March 26, 2017, 10:48:30 AM »
Good morning friends,

I have read the previous posts with much care and i have to say that you make it all to confusing.
And when your mind is not clear you are gonna make mistakes sooner ot later.

You don't need to play every trigger you see. I know that you don't play every trigger but if you have the patients, please only play normal sequence triggers. By this i mean. LMH are your last dozens, then followed by M (play H) or H (play M) Everytime when one or more of the same dozens are prior the trigger, i just skip it and wait for the next oppertunity to come. it takes more time and the profits are less by the end of the evening, but it is al about leaving the casino as a winner. Also when i see a zero in i let it go idle and wait until he is out for 6-10 mumbers.
Zero's mostly come in packs, so it's best to let it go for a few spins and not use any trigger that come in the next 6 spins or so. mostly when i see a zero, i'm gonna go and take a break and drink some coffee :) and then come back after 10 minutes or so. So the way i've been playing this system for the last few weeks, almost every day, and i never reached lvl 6 bet (32) highest bet i needed to make to regain profit is when i had 3 back to back losses and needed to play 8-8-16 but won on the first 8. always bet with different dozens previous your trigger and leave the zero's out. i takes allot more time. but I only needed 25 euro profit every night, usualy takes about 2 hours before reached by playing my method. but i never lost one session in the last 3 weeks. i have a stop loss of +25 / -50 with a bank of 100-150 and base bet of 1 unit. i know it is not a very pleasand playstyle and the profits are not high, but trust me, it gives a great feeling when you go home with a few bucks in your pocket. tonight i start my 10 days trial at lvl 2 (2u Base bet) stop loss at +50 /-100 with a bank of 200-250
try it the way i said and come back on this. have a great sunday friends. - Eddy
 
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