Author Topic: NEW SYSTEM: SINGLE DOZEN  (Read 35716 times)

pip29 and 7 Guests are viewing this topic.

TERMINATOR

  • Search YouTube for MANDELA EFFECT
  • Mature Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 263
  • Thanked: 321 times
  • Gender: Male
  • MANDELA EFFECT
Re: NEW SYSTEM: SINGLE DOZEN
« Reply #165 on: March 25, 2017, 01:02:31 PM »
Bayes, the 3 spins prior to MHM is LMH (not LMM). If it was LMM, then yes, that would be the first trigger. (LMH is not defined as a trigger).

I believe Palestis says to skip the first trigger, regardless of what dozen would be bet on (even if it WERE NOT the same Dozen as the Dozen that was just repeated), as a safeguard against variance.

So, assuming the spin WAS LMM, the first trigger would normally be bet on "L" on the next spin. BUT we skip that and proceed to the NEXT trigger. If the SECOND trigger tells us to bet on L or H, then we make our bet. HOWEVER, if the SECOND trigger tells us we must bet on M, then we SKIP THAT SECOND TRIGGER and go for a third trigger (or 4th, 5th, etc.) until we bet on either L or H.

Palestis says it's better to wait for the roulette wheel to "normalize,", which is why we would skip the first legitimate trigger(s).

Hope this helps, Bayes. Correct me if I'm wrong, Palestis!
« Last Edit: March 25, 2017, 01:16:23 PM by TERMINATOR »
 

juice

  • New
  • **
  • Posts: 113
  • Thanked: 127 times
Re: NEW SYSTEM: SINGLE DOZEN
« Reply #166 on: March 25, 2017, 01:15:56 PM »
Eddy, I wish you all the luck and skill the world has to offer! Just some friendly advise, you can take it or ignore it.....
Before you attempt this journey, you need a much larger bankroll then what you have stated. I think many here will back me up on this. If you do not have a years worth of personal expenses saved, I would urge you to wait until you do. With 6 kids and a wife, I think their future should be more insured before you quit your job. I am sure you will develope the skill necessary to succeed, but it is a whole different thing when playing for survival, I know because I do it myself.
I had a very successful business for decades prior to making the transition, and many years of practical business experience in manufacturing and managing client and employee expectations as well as running a proper business, to help me with the many mental thing that are needed to stay focused on the goal. I also learned how to lose money, large amounts, fast and furious, and I had it to lose.
I do not know your experience level, and I think you are very serious about your quest, but as an onlooker, I think your enthusiasm has you a bit scattered all over the map with your many styles of play. This game is a funny thing, it can give you so much joy, as you are studying all the possibilities, and leave you SATURATED in too much knowledge at the wrong moment! This particular bet in this post, is a very sound stratagy, and I would encourage you to stick with it, compared to some other plays that I have seen you studying lately. But no matter how much you work your way up from smaller units to the larger ones, nothing quite prepares you for the inevitable downward session when the only way out to recovery is to use your skill combined with a much larger BANK.
I know that all players here on this site would be happy to help you in anyway they can to keep you on the winning path, but in the end, just like when we die, we do it all alone.
Much luck to you in the current and near future, and be very careful, your family is counting on you! If you do not have the confidence that Dr Talos has with the fool proof method to back it up, you might want to pump the breaks and save some more scratch before you start!     With all respect,  The juice
« Last Edit: March 25, 2017, 03:08:45 PM by juice »
 
The following users thanked this post: Reyth

Bayes

  • Veteran Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 688
  • Thanked: 558 times
  • roulettician.com
Re: NEW SYSTEM: SINGLE DOZEN
« Reply #167 on: March 25, 2017, 01:19:12 PM »
TERM, there seems to be some ambiguity here, let me explain how my tracker is coded (it indicates MHM as a trigger).
At each spin it looks back 3 spins and if the pattern is XXY AND the 3 spins prior to that are NOT all the same, there is a bet.

So applied to the sequence:

17   M   
19   M   
15   M   
16   M   
18   M   
12   L   The trigger is LMM  but the 3 spins prior to it are all the same (M). No bet
18   M   The trigger is MLM but the 3 spins prior to it are all the same (M). Not bet
32   H   There is no trigger because the last 3 spins are not of the form XXY
17   M   The trigger is MHM and the 3 spins prior to it are LMM (i.e, not all the same) so there is a bet (on H).
 
The following users thanked this post: Reyth

Bayes

  • Veteran Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 688
  • Thanked: 558 times
  • roulettician.com
Re: NEW SYSTEM: SINGLE DOZEN
« Reply #168 on: March 25, 2017, 01:41:49 PM »
I believe Palestis says to skip the first trigger, regardless of what dozen would be bet on (even if it WERE NOT the same Dozen as the Dozen that was just repeated), as a safeguard against variance.

Hmm... I don't recall seeing that rule anywhere in the thread. The tracker is currently coded so that if you win on the first or second bet after a trigger then it signals a "no bet" until the trigger is "completed", e.g. only after 3 spins is a new trigger looked for.

      M
      M
      H  trigger (H)
(1) H (win)
(2) L  no bet (even though it would have been L)
(3) L  no bet (even though it would have been H)
      M  (only now look for a new trigger, which is M)

Palestis approved this, but maybe there should be some clarification of the red flag rule:

Quote
2. If the playable target dozen ( Y), has appeared more than 3+ times immediately prior to the trigger. (meaning it has appeared enough times already and runs the risk to disappear when you begin betting it  3 times after the trigger).

Actually, this also applies to the non target dozen, as palestis confirmed when I suggested that both rules 1 & 2 amount to one rule "if any dozen has appeared more than 3+ times immediately prior to the trigger".

I assumed that 3+ times immediately prior to the trigger meant consecutively, i.e. 3+ times in 3+ spins. But if it has appeared 3 times in 4 spins does that also count as a red flag? Seems that it does.

Apologies if this seems like nit-picking, but computers have no initiative whatsoever, they have to be told exactly what to do at all times.  ;D
 
The following users thanked this post: kav, Reyth

iar000

  • New
  • **
  • Posts: 28
  • Thanked: 8 times
Re: NEW SYSTEM: SINGLE DOZEN
« Reply #169 on: March 25, 2017, 02:05:32 PM »
hi Jek what method or system do you use
 
The following users thanked this post: Reyth

TERMINATOR

  • Search YouTube for MANDELA EFFECT
  • Mature Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 263
  • Thanked: 321 times
  • Gender: Male
  • MANDELA EFFECT
Re: NEW SYSTEM: SINGLE DOZEN
« Reply #170 on: March 25, 2017, 02:19:16 PM »
Hmm. I never looked at it this way before, Bayes. Maybe it's different when you make a program?


So applied to the sequence:

17   M   
19   M   
15   M   
16   M   
18   M   
12   L   The trigger is LMM  but the 3 spins prior to it are all the same (M). No bet
18   M   The trigger is MLM but the 3 spins prior to it are all the same (M). Not bet
32   H   There is no trigger because the last 3 spins are not of the form XXY
17   M   The trigger is MHM and the 3 spins prior to it are LMM (i.e, not all the same) so there is a bet (on H).

To me, the first appearance of MMMMM is ignored completely. The very next spin (12 L) is going to be the first number of a possible trigger, so we wait for those 3 spins first:

12 L
18 M
32 H

And this would be the first consideration for a trigger. Since LMH is not a trigger, we look at the very next spin after the #12: We get the following:

18
32
17

THAT is the first trigger. The other "triggers" you mentioned included the string from MMMMM, and I believe this is never included as part of a trigger.

Palestis also confirmed this was the first trigger when he said:

"The sequence M was 17-19-15-16-18. Yes we skip the first trigger (18-32-17)." in his reply #161.

I believe Palestis says to skip the first trigger, regardless of what dozen would be bet on (even if it WERE NOT the same Dozen as the Dozen that was just repeated), as a safeguard against variance.

Hmm... I don't recall seeing that rule anywhere in the thread.

I believe this is his quote from an earlier post:

Quote
"If there is a sequence of numbers like 25-30-27-32-10-8-21 you avoid betting the 10-8-21 trigger (too many numbers in the 3rd dozen  preceding  the trigger). Indicating a streak that might continue in a dozen that is not the target."

So, the above spins would look like:

25 H
30 H
27 H
32 H
(All the above spins are IGNORED for the next trigger, because they repeated 3+ times)
10 L
8 L
21 M
(This is the first trigger. Even though "M" would be bet, and not H, we still skip this first trigger and proceed to the SECOND trigger).

If the SECOND trigger tells us to bet on M or L, then we bet. If it tells us to bet on H, we wait for the next trigger.

At least, this is my understanding.

« Last Edit: March 25, 2017, 09:12:57 PM by TERMINATOR »
 
The following users thanked this post: Reyth

TERMINATOR

  • Search YouTube for MANDELA EFFECT
  • Mature Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 263
  • Thanked: 321 times
  • Gender: Male
  • MANDELA EFFECT
Re: NEW SYSTEM: SINGLE DOZEN
« Reply #171 on: March 25, 2017, 02:45:24 PM »
Bayes wrote:
Quote
I assumed that 3+ times immediately prior to the trigger meant consecutively, i.e. 3+ times in 3+ spins. But if it has appeared 3 times in 4 spins does that also count as a red flag? Seems that it does.

Hmm, I don't believe it counts. I think it must appear 3 times or more in a row.

Here's another quote from an earlier post:

Quote
12-9-8 30-25-2. You avoid, because the target dozen in the trigger already came at least 3 times in a row.  Then it becomes a little risky to bet that the same dozen will show up again.  (just a legitimate precaution).

« Last Edit: March 25, 2017, 02:49:44 PM by TERMINATOR »
 
The following users thanked this post: Reyth

Bayes

  • Veteran Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 688
  • Thanked: 558 times
  • roulettician.com
Re: NEW SYSTEM: SINGLE DOZEN
« Reply #172 on: March 25, 2017, 02:51:39 PM »
TERM, probably best if I send palestis the tracker and let him see where it's going wrong, if indeed it is. I'm just getting more confused.  :'(

In any case, the system as coded in the tracker is producing excellent results, and palestis did say that minor variations are ok. :D
« Last Edit: March 25, 2017, 02:53:49 PM by Bayes »
 
The following users thanked this post: kav, Reyth, TERMINATOR

TERMINATOR

  • Search YouTube for MANDELA EFFECT
  • Mature Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 263
  • Thanked: 321 times
  • Gender: Male
  • MANDELA EFFECT
Re: NEW SYSTEM: SINGLE DOZEN
« Reply #173 on: March 25, 2017, 03:19:24 PM »
That's a good idea. Maybe I'll work on a better explanation of this system, point by point, once Palestis clarifies our concerns.
 
The following users thanked this post: Reyth

Harryj

  • Veteran Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 359
  • Thanked: 171 times
  • Gender: Male
Re: NEW SYSTEM: SINGLE DOZEN
« Reply #174 on: March 25, 2017, 04:12:51 PM »
For the 3rd time today. I'll try again.
        The main difference between my play and Pals is that I use DS to form "unatural" dozens, and I use a 5 spin progression. I also restart after MMM.LLL.HHH. or MHL or zero.eg. MMM/restart. MML/this is a trigger, but can we trust it ? MLM/another trigger ? After 6 M's in 7 spins we should see some H's & L's. It's a maybe. LMH/ no bet. MLM/ again those M's clearly we are in the n midst of a large variance.
 
The following users thanked this post: Reyth

jekhb76

  • Mature Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 292
  • Thanked: 343 times
  • Gender: Male
Re: NEW SYSTEM: SINGLE DOZEN
« Reply #175 on: March 25, 2017, 04:16:12 PM »
i forgot to add something.

1. it's not a must that you need to reach target everyday.
sometimes it doesn't go the way you had hoped for.
example; i've had a few session where my daily target was 25 units, but somehow it just didn't reached it. some back to back losses, a power problem :) etc. at some point i was only 10 units in profit, but spend almost 2 hours trying to reach the 25 unit mark. i was tired and i had two options. try to make it and risk to be in debt because of something i hadn't control about or because i would make mistakes because j was tired. or quit and take the 10 units home. i would always choose the 2nd option. so what' Rome wasn't also build in on day. i never chase a target if i can't reach it, because there is always another day.

2. what i also would recomend is to have a safety bank prepaired.
Let's say you are betting with 1 unit chips, then your bank is 100x times your base bet. in this case 100 units.
but what i would recomed when you are playing with high value chips is to have a safety bank with you also.
So from 5 unit base bet. 500 unit bank and 500 unit safety bank.
if something happens to your bank, you will always have a backup. this is how it will play ot from now on. i will never go 1 lvl higher untill i have 2 times my bank.
Recomend for high betting.

5€ BB (€500 B + €500 SB) €1000 to play this bet.

10BB (€1000 B + €1000 SB) 2000 to play this bet

3. Don't drink Alcohol while playing!
😊
 
The following users thanked this post: kav, pip29, Reyth

Harryj

  • Veteran Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 359
  • Thanked: 171 times
  • Gender: Male
Re: NEW SYSTEM: SINGLE DOZEN
« Reply #176 on: March 25, 2017, 04:33:51 PM »
OK that one mafe it.
         I am strongly against the type of progression that Bayes suggested. I believe that type of progression works best with "sleeper" triggers. My choice is definitely a Marty, but my definition of a Marty may not be the same as your's. To me a marty is any progression that ENDS with a single win. EVEN IF THE OVERALL RESULT IS A LOSS. eg. 1,2,4,8/15 is a 4step Marty costing 1 u. 1,2,3,5/11a 4 step Marty costing 11u. Steps 1 & 2 win 1u step 3 breaks even and 4 loses 1 u. As roulette is essentially an even game the difference between the total loss of 4 units and the loss of 1u on bet 4 represents a bottom line gain. Even if the break even at bet 3 is considered we still have a substantial gain. Even more important 75% of our 1st 2 bets can be expected to win. An even bigger gain.
         Bayes seems to understand "insurance" betting. Perhaps he can explain it better than I.
« Last Edit: March 25, 2017, 04:38:06 PM by Harryj »
 
The following users thanked this post: kav, Reyth

Reyth

  • Global Moderator
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 3982
  • Thanked: 1283 times
Re: NEW SYSTEM: SINGLE DOZEN
« Reply #177 on: March 25, 2017, 04:58:09 PM »
https://youtu.be/CCISSevvGpA

OOPS looks like the post got eaten!  But did it actually!??

3) Hit Ctrl-V

Hey Harry J!  Here is a post that I guarantee won't get eaten by even the worst forum variance!

sdflkjsd;fkljsd;kjfsdf

sdfklhsdfkjhsdfc

sdfkljsdfkjhsdfkhsdf

sdfkjhsdfkhsdfkhsdf

[tip the forum]

ok finally done.

Now:

1) HIT CTRL-A
2) HIT CTRL-C
« Last Edit: March 25, 2017, 05:03:04 PM by Reyth »
 
The following users thanked this post: kav

palestis

  • Veteran Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 669
  • Thanked: 502 times
Re: NEW SYSTEM: SINGLE DOZEN
« Reply #178 on: March 25, 2017, 10:49:11 PM »
@Terminator:
The problem is that I am not familiar with computerized testing. So I have to ask you how do you test it?
Do you plug the numbers to the program and push a button and the program does the rest?
And then you get a summary on excel like the one you usually post?
If that's the case then I understand that you have to have all instructions predetermined. Like trigger choice, red flag avoidance, exact skipping of numbers, various types of progression etc.
The program cannot use a 6th sense, like an actual player does from time to time.
             Or is it that you plug the numbers in the program and then you process it number  by number as if you were actually playing in a live situation? 
If it is totally computerized, it's best to use only 2 red flags. To avoid confusion, not only to the player but to the program too.
One is to avoid a trigger where the target dozen in the chosen trigger,  appeared several times before the trigger.
And the other is to stop at 2 lost bets, if after trigger XXY you get XX again.
The other precautions are not as important.
They are rather useful for resilient players like "Jekhb76" and some people I know, that they rather not give the casino the chance to win even one spin. (not that it is always possible).
As far as the 0 it's best to skip it and start a trigger after that.
But if you see for example 13-0-20- 32,   and use 13-20-32 as trigger it's not a big deal.
I have done that way and came up with basically the same results.
         In other words the extra precautions will not make the difference between winning and losing.
The system results will be basically the same. -
« Last Edit: March 25, 2017, 10:54:56 PM by palestis »
 
The following users thanked this post: pip29, TERMINATOR

TERMINATOR

  • Search YouTube for MANDELA EFFECT
  • Mature Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 263
  • Thanked: 321 times
  • Gender: Male
  • MANDELA EFFECT
Re: NEW SYSTEM: SINGLE DOZEN
« Reply #179 on: March 25, 2017, 11:35:57 PM »
Hi Palestis, I have been testing your method manually though Excel. I copy and paste real spins from real casinos into excel, then I play them as I would live, spin by spin.

Thank you for answering my questions. I think I have a good understanding of your method now.

While waiting for your response, I did a REDO on my TWO WORST GAMES (as far as highest levels reached are concerned), based on the clarifications you gave me. HERE ARE THE RESULTS!!!!

                       Highest Level Reached   Highest Bet Made

Old Game #8:             6 (twice)         32 units
New Game #8:            3                       8 units

Old Game #18:             8 (YIKES!)         128 units (DOUBLE YIKES!)
New Game #18:            3                       4 units (WTF? WTF! WTF!?!?!?)

WOW, what a difference! I think you fixed the leak in my game, Palestsis! Thank you.

If I may ask one more question. In a situation like this:

MMMLLLHHH

I would SKIP the first trigger, but after the SECOND trigger I would NOT bet on "H" correct? I would be looking to bet on either M or L. Yes? (Even though both L and H had a streak, but they are older than the M streak).

Thanks again! I am so excited. Even though I have NEVER had a losing session when I was playing WRONG, I can only imagine how much better it will be now!
« Last Edit: March 25, 2017, 11:49:40 PM by TERMINATOR »
 
The following users thanked this post: Reyth