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Re: NEW SYSTEM: SINGLE DOZEN
« Reply #90 on: March 15, 2017, 12:28:25 AM »
Here is my version.  Its the only way that makes sense to me:

XYZ
XXY/XYX ==>Z
XXZ/XZX ==>Y
YYX/YXY ==>Z
YYZ/YZY ==>X
ZZX/ZXZ ==>Y
ZZY/ZYZ ==>X

XYZ,XZY,YXZ,YZX,ZXY,ZYX all equal NO BET.

Because I am always betting the missing Dozen thats at least 4 back, I don't have to worry about my triggers getting "messed up" by close repeats.

XXX,YYY and ZZZ are great setups that are kind of like "narrow sideways channels" in trading.  We just wait for the break and bet the missing Dozen.  The longer the streak, the greater the chances of us getting a hit.  Anything over 3 and I would even advocate betting extra during those times (x1.5 or x2).

The only thing that I think messes us up is if a 0 hits while we are betting.  I think its most wise to immediately stop betting, take the loss and make it up on the next trigger.  The reason is because the 0 has already taken a full 33% of our odds away from us by showing up during a bet sequence. 

Conversely however, if a zero shows up while we are awaiting a trigger, this makes our bet selection even stronger and I would even advocate betting extra (x1.5 or x2) in those occasions:

XZ0Z <=== now Y has even MORE chance to hit for us in a sequence of 7.

Gosh I feel like a traitor for posting this but I am sorry its just how I feel. :'(


I just made a quick 50 units betting the following progression:

1 1 2
2 2 4
4 4 8
etc

Stay on the same level if not at profit and back to level 1 when at par/profit.  You can also drop down or up  a level as you gain hits if necessary.

I just received the following sequence and doubled my bet for Z:

YYYYYYX

My bet hit (YYYYYYXZ) and profit is now +116.

I'll try to keep everything in this one post but I can move this to my own thread if you guys like. :D

+152
+218
+269



Real money 1400 unit bankroll.

https://youtu.be/exDUc20h078

+100
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Re: NEW SYSTEM: SINGLE DOZEN
« Reply #91 on: March 15, 2017, 02:22:24 AM »
Palestis, regarding the no-bet situations:

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Situations where you avoid betting, and wait for things to become more normal
1. If the same dozen appears repeatedly immediately preceding the trigger. (it's a sign of anomaly that can affect the rest of the dozens).
2. If the playable target dozen ( Y), has appeared more than 3+ times immediately prior to the trigger. (meaning it has appeared enough times already and runs the risk to disappear when you begin betting it  3 times after the trigger).
3. If the first 2 bets after the trigger result in XX (same dozen as the majority dozen in the trigger, you stop and only lose 2 bets). Easily recoverable in the next trigger
4. if there is more than one 0 in the numbers preceding the trigger. (0's tend to come in packs).

Don't rules 1 & 2 collapse into one? namely : "Don't bet if any dozen appears more than 3+ times prior to the trigger".

The same dozen could be the playable target dozen (rule 2), or not. In either case, it signals a no-bet. Also could you be more precise regarding rule 4? For how many spins do we look back for 0's?

I need this information because I'm planning to add more code to the tracker which automatically adds the w/L registry and signals a no-bet if any of the above rules apply, so I need definite numbers. Currently it's a bit of a headache keeping track of both Doz/Col and adding the w/L. Also I'm planning to add another bet for the sector dozens, so there will be 3 bet selections to keep track of.
Maybe an example will show what I mean. A. 15-20-17-25-31-8. The XXY is 331. I would rather avoid betting because there is 222 just before the trigger.
B. 4-8-11-13-5    or  4-8-11-25- 32-7. In both situations the target dozen is the 1st.
But it already appeared enough times already. Best to skip this trigger
So I guess you are right. Both rules collapse into one. It's just that in the B case it is a much stronger reason to avoid any bets.
As far as the presence of any 0 or 0's prior to the trigger, I would say up to about 2-3 numbers up.
Like 25-0-5-9-14. We don't have to go up the numbers very far.
In general if prior to the trigger things look unusually strange or imbalanced wait for a few more spins or move on to another roulette.
I understand that to code the system for computerized testing, you have to have predetermined instructions.
In actual play in a live casino, you have the opportunity to see in front of you the whole picture before you make a decision to bet.
So even if the situation doesn't fall exactly under these rules, if for some reason you feel uncomfortable with what you are seeing, it doesn't hurt to wait a few more minutes.
With many roulettes around and triggers forming very fast, you have the luxury to pick and chose when  you want to play. 
The best and easiest way to test it, is the way I do it manually.
I test ignoring any rules. Betting every trigger that forms.
Then I go back and examine all the situations where 3 or more back to back losses occurred. And investigate if the results were due to the violations of the rules.
And I also examine results where there are shorter back to back losses like 2, interrupted by a single win. LL-W-LL-W-LL-W-LL-W  is just as bad as a longer consecutive  loss situation. But I find that to be far more rare than a longer consecutive loss appearing between longer intervals.

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Re: NEW SYSTEM: SINGLE DOZEN
« Reply #92 on: March 15, 2017, 07:35:41 AM »
Reyth, that is an interesting modification. Hmmm. Palestis, what do you make of that? It does seem more likely that a Z dozen would have a better chance of appearing after an XXY appear just before it. Hmmm. I'll see how it compares to my other recorded results, by playing Reyth's suggestion next to the original version.

And don't feel like a traitor, Reyth, we are here to share ideas and make possible improvements. I'm sure Palestis won't mind, if it helps us win more!

Speaking of which, I have made a change in the way I play also. (Oh no, another traitor!) I've been able to Quadruple my profits compared to your original strategy, Palestis, in your first post, playing within the SAME amount of spins! It's a lot more involved, and you might need to keep track on a piece of paper or the computer, but it is worth it!

This is what I added. I've been playing the Dozens, just as you suggest. And every time the "Columns" crisscross, I always put a 1 unit chip on 1 Split, and another unit on the other Split (4 numbers total). This was sort of suggested in this thread, but I do it in ADDITION to the regular bets. I always keep it at 1 unit chips all the time on the splits (no matter the stage of the progression).

But what I have ALSO been doing is the following. I've been playing the COLUMNS at the same time I play the DOZENS, using your same rules for the Single Dozen. AND I have also been placing one chip each on the 2 splits every time the Dozens intersect with the Columns.

This eliminates a lot of the waiting time when going through triggers. When the Dozens and Columns ARE played at the same time, AND they intersect,  STILL only lay 2 chips on the Splits (I do not increase those bets).

Oh, and I have IMPROVED the Excel sheet I created earlier. It will keep track of both the Dozens and Columns (to make it easier to know when to place those split bets, OR play Dozens and Columns at the same time). It will also keep a running total win/loss on the Dozens, Columns and Split Bets.

I also included an example of my most recent game using this document, to illustrate how to use it. Hopefully it's self explanatory. But if you have any questions on how to use it, just ask!

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Re: NEW SYSTEM: SINGLE DOZEN
« Reply #93 on: March 15, 2017, 09:58:31 AM »
Yo Term, don't forget Bayes is hard at work at the WHEEL DOZENS as well!

They are:

32-15-19-4-21-2-25-17-34-6-27-13
36-11-30-8-23-10-5-24-16-33-1-20
14-13-9-22-18-29-7-28-12-35-3-26

And so like if we ONLY bet:

1) Dozens intersect
2) Columns intersect
3) Wheel intersect

Hopefully we get a higher hit rate?

Or maybe we can bet any combination of 2 from the 1,2,3 set...

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Re: NEW SYSTEM: SINGLE DOZEN
« Reply #94 on: March 15, 2017, 10:17:57 AM »
random sequence of the dozens  :  1-3-3-2-1-3
Now I bet one unit on dozen 2 and 3 . After a no-hit I bet 3 units on3 dozen 1 and 2. The risk is a loss on 3^8 spins. These events occur very often. The same strategy can also played on the columns. Playing 4 tables on my MR the waiting time is very short. Sometime it happens on more than one table.
 
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Re: NEW SYSTEM: SINGLE DOZEN
« Reply #95 on: March 15, 2017, 11:32:58 AM »
all i can say is jim is a real nice guy that he posted this system , now if u smart enough u can play and bet succesfully if not......u cant be milionaire overnight  but u ll be ahead for long term thats a sure thing guys.
 
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Re: NEW SYSTEM: SINGLE DOZEN
« Reply #96 on: March 15, 2017, 12:45:36 PM »
Yo Term, don't forget Bales is hard at work at the WHEEL DOZENS as well!

Who is Bales?  :P

I'm having second thoughts about adding the wheel dozens because it means having to place 12 chips and I want to keep things fairly simple. I suppose I could use a dozen made up of 2 DS, which would require only 2 chips. If we number the DS from 1-6 the possibilities are 12 (leaving aside the standard dozens (1,2), (3,4), (5,6)) :

(1,3), (1,4), (1,5), (1,6)
(2,3), (2,4), (2,5), (2,6)
(3,5), (3,6)
(4,5), (4,6)

We need 3 pairs to make a set of 3 dozens, and it's better to make these pairs mutually exclusive (no DS repeated in the set). I'll figure out which they are and report back.
 
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Re: NEW SYSTEM: SINGLE DOZEN
« Reply #97 on: March 15, 2017, 04:04:30 PM »
The original system XXY was based on the fact that usually a single dozen has the tendency to disappear for a few spins like 2 or 3 spins. Then you bet that the Y dozen is most likely to appear a second time in between. (The X dozen already appeared twice).
That's the basic assumption.
Now that doesn't  mean that this system cannot be modified.
HARRYJ plays the same system, but uses 2 DS's instead of dozens. I hope he comes in and reports.
(He is currently away from S. Africa and on visit in Northampton  UK).
The good thing is that whatever modification takes place, the results can be confirmed, with testing.
I always welcome changes and modifications as long as the results slightly improve.
 
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Re: NEW SYSTEM: SINGLE DOZEN
« Reply #98 on: March 15, 2017, 04:32:07 PM »
Yes, I like to test variations and compare them to the original, that is how we improve! Thanks for explaining the reason why you developed this strategy, Jim.

BTW, Reyth, I noticed in your modifications that you have no "YXX, XZZ," etc. Do you skip or play those triggers? I'm playing your variation now, to see how it compares to the previous games I played. And I AM playing the triggers "ZYY, etc."
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Re: NEW SYSTEM: SINGLE DOZEN
« Reply #99 on: March 15, 2017, 04:39:05 PM »
Yes, I alike to test variations and compare them to the original, that is how we improve! Thanks for explaining the reason why you developed this strategy, Jim.

BTW, Reyth, I noticed in your modifications that you have no "YXX, XZZ," etc. Do you skip or play those triggers? I'm playing your variation now, to see how it compares to the previous games I played. And I AM playing the triggers "ZYY, etc."

Sorry for the omission. 

Ya the bet selection is easy.  Bet the missing Dozen from the last 3 spins, if there is no missing Dozen then spin until there is -- if you get a zero, spin through as if it wasn't there but just know your odds of the missing Dozen hitting has just increased.  After every hit, start the spin history from nothing. 

There is actually no need to list the combinations.  I did it to help me conceptualize what I wanted to create.
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Re: NEW SYSTEM: SINGLE DOZEN
« Reply #100 on: March 15, 2017, 06:09:08 PM »
Well, I just finished comparing Reyth's modification to my last game played. I thought I'd share it (I hope that's okay?). The results are NOT what I expected. I thought it would do better. My previous game is in reply #92 (above), and Reyth's strategy is attached below (if you want to see the details).

This is really like 2 games (since I play both Dozens and Columns at the same time). I know it's a small sample, but I play everything manually, by hand, and it takes me a while. Reyth, are you able to compare these 2 strategies side by side with lots of spins through your programing? It will probably be more accurate than this test size.

Anyway, here are the results (200+ spin game):

Original Strategy:
Dozens - 29 units won
Columns = 39 units won
Splits - 76 units won
TOTAL = 144 units won

Highest progression reached = 4th.

Reyth's Strategy:
Dozens - 20 units won
Columns = 30 units won
Splits - 36 units lost
TOTAL = 14 units won

Highest progression reached = 5th.

The difference on the Split Bets was a shocker to me.
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Re: NEW SYSTEM: SINGLE DOZEN
« Reply #101 on: March 15, 2017, 06:23:20 PM »
Wow nice work. :D
 
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Re: NEW SYSTEM: SINGLE DOZEN
« Reply #102 on: March 16, 2017, 08:06:37 PM »
@ palestis, a query.  After a win or an "abort" by rule 3 (stop if the first 2 bets after the trigger result in XX ) in your view is it better to collect spins until you are 3 spins "clear" of the trigger before looking for the new trigger?

Here's a case where it doesn't make sense to take the trigger from the last 3 spins:

L
H
L
M
M
H -- trigger, bet H
M
M -- rule 3 (abort), but new trigger, bet H!

Looking back 3 spins you now have a new trigger, but it requires betting on H which is what you have just abandoned because of rule 3. Of course you could just continue collecting spins in these situations until you get XXY. Do you have a preference? (just thinking about it from the POV of programming).

Also, how many spins (bets) did you use to test the system before posting it here? Thanks.
 
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Re: NEW SYSTEM: SINGLE DOZEN
« Reply #103 on: March 16, 2017, 08:11:24 PM »


GO BALES GO!
 

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Re: NEW SYSTEM: SINGLE DOZEN
« Reply #104 on: March 16, 2017, 08:15:33 PM »
Will do, RELTH.  :D
 
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