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#### MrPerfect.

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##### Playing with the edge
« on: December 29, 2016, 10:57:34 AM »
Providing that you do everything wright, you will understand from your data how edge is created on particular wheel you will follow ( play).
Every wheel is different. Some wheels will offer stable vb edge, some will only offer bias edge, some wheels will require you to do both , visual prediction and bias assessment.  Every case is different,  that's why understanding how edge is created is important.  There gonna be cases when bias edge is stronger then possible vb edge, and others , where vb edge is stronger. It will depend on many factors. To simplify data analysis there are shortcuts.
If ball jump differences ( from spin to spin) i's huge ( 27 pokets of dispercion or more,) then you may ignore vb edge and focus on bias only. If ball stops where it falls, vb would do better.
Rule number 1.
Collect data till you understand how and why edge is created.
Rule number 2.
Continue taking data till you confirm edge.
While playing with the edge, it's important to recognise situations when it's favorable. It's much more profitable to wait till perfect conditions then try to explore situations for wich you have no data.
Other point is how to explore edge you have. Flat betting sucks. If you flat bet, mistakes gonna be costly. Use up as you go progressions. Set your betting the way that permits to win a lot or loose a little. This way when right, you win a lot ( comparing to initial bank ), when wrong, you just have session bank to loose.
Up as you go progressions permit to multiply your initial bank many times during relatively short playing sessions ( 100- 150 spins). Forget about up as you loose progressions or flat bet- it's a road to nowhere.
Be relatively conservative. Up as you go progressions are very agressive, add aditional multipier ( confidence factor) in your bet calculations. I normally set this multiplier to 50 %...  only rarely l permit myself to use 100% , if l really sure about my edge and value it may take.
Remember, underbet will make you less money, overbet- kill bankroll. It's better to be under payed then not payed at all.

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#### Duncan

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##### Re: Playing with the edge
« Reply #1 on: December 29, 2016, 11:26:57 AM »
Mr Perfect I have perfect knowledge in VB and I ll tell you why it can t work and even IF it could (in some cases IF you are lucky...and by luck i ll explain what I mean later in this post...its not practical).

1) Even IF you have the mood and patience to scout ALL the wheels in the Casino( it will take several hours to find the DDs IF there are any and IF the ball jump for a nice scatter  and to see IF there is a ball decleration that you can identify for the correct revolution before end) when you will start playing the ball timings will change after a wile because of a lot of factors.
Factor no1 change in barometer
Factor no 2 change in the temperature
Factor no 3 oil from the delalers change hands
Factor no 4 a little dust of something that came into the ball track
So when the ball timings WILL change( and they can change after some spins or after a lot of spins... and this is why i mentioned luck above.) you will not be in the correct revolution so you will have wrong predictions.
So again its like math systems... all random.
And don t tell me that IF and when you will notice the changes of ball times you will stop , because even if you do so , you will have lost lots hours of recording of the wheel and ball behavior.

2) Sometimes you will make mistake in the correct ball timing(correct revolution) and the ball will hit the DD and teh ball will do the average scatter BUT because you had done mistake in the ball revolution the prediction will be wrong.
Sometimes you will have choose the correct ball timing and the ball will NOT hit the DD so prediction wrong.
Sometimes you will choose the correct revolution and the ball will hit the DD but the ball will land in a scatter out of the average.

3) Even IF you are lucky this day and ALL will be in the right place , you can NOT apply VB alone.
You have to have at lest 2 other ppl as a team.
Factors of why you need a team
Factor no 1 the scouting of the wheels requires at least 3 ppl because otherwise will take ages.
Factor no 2 one has to make predictions and the other mast place the bets ... otherwise your game will be soon be over because you are betting late in the spin,you look in the wheel and you bet numbers next to each other... so they will just inform the dealer either to change the wheel speed dramaticaly ( and your game is over cause different scatter) either they will inform to say N.M.B very soon.
Factor no 3 you must not be the same person make predictions and had scout the weels because there is already a red flag on you.

So as you can see there are so many IFs ( bold letters) and so many factors that VB is just for the house DVDs entertainment.( strong DDs , none is watching to kill your game , big heavy balls and high wheel frets and ball decleration that even a blind man can identify)

Keep in mind the person who wrote this post had invented the most accurate RC way of prediction on the planet... where( if the ball speed was constant in the correct rev) the Rc is giving a signal NO BET when the ball is NOT gonna hit the DD and can also take advantage on 2 DDs.
Keep also in mind that my eyes in corralation with my brain are so sharp that I can identify when the ball has change speed in the correct revolution and IF it will hit the next pin that can also take advantage or if the ball had made a strange speed and will not hit one of the 2 pins desired.
Been there done that and it s not practical to make money with this way.
The ball speed ranges are dynamic and not constant.(just like randomness)

So VB is a theoritical game and not practical.

Ps. I can t speak about Bias play because I have never played this way... And if i don t know something really well , I don t express opinion.

« Last Edit: December 29, 2016, 12:15:37 PM by Duncan »

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#### scepticus

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##### Re: Playing with the edge
« Reply #2 on: December 29, 2016, 05:07:15 PM »
Thank you , Duncan.
At last someone agrees with me !

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#### MrPerfect.

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##### Re: Playing with the edge
« Reply #3 on: January 21, 2017, 01:26:13 AM »
Mr Perfect I have perfect knowledge in VB and I ll tell you why it can t work and even IF it could (in some cases IF you are lucky...and by luck i ll explain what I mean later in this post...its not practical).

1) Even IF you have the mood and patience to scout ALL the wheels in the Casino( it will take several hours to find the DDs IF there are any and IF the ball jump for a nice scatter  and to see IF there is a ball decleration that you can identify for the correct revolution before end) when you will start playing the ball timings will change after a wile because of a lot of factors.
Factor no1 change in barometer
Factor no 2 change in the temperature
Factor no 3 oil from the delalers change hands
Factor no 4 a little dust of something that came into the ball track
So when the ball timings WILL change( and they can change after some spins or after a lot of spins... and this is why i mentioned luck above.) you will not be in the correct revolution so you will have wrong predictions.
So again its like math systems... all random.
And don t tell me that IF and when you will notice the changes of ball times you will stop , because even if you do so , you will have lost lots hours of recording of the wheel and ball behavior.

2) Sometimes you will make mistake in the correct ball timing(correct revolution) and the ball will hit the DD and teh ball will do the average scatter BUT because you had done mistake in the ball revolution the prediction will be wrong.
Sometimes you will have choose the correct ball timing and the ball will NOT hit the DD so prediction wrong.
Sometimes you will choose the correct revolution and the ball will hit the DD but the ball will land in a scatter out of the average.

3) Even IF you are lucky this day and ALL will be in the right place , you can NOT apply VB alone.
You have to have at lest 2 other ppl as a team.
Factors of why you need a team
Factor no 1 the scouting of the wheels requires at least 3 ppl because otherwise will take ages.
Factor no 2 one has to make predictions and the other mast place the bets ... otherwise your game will be soon be over because you are betting late in the spin,you look in the wheel and you bet numbers next to each other... so they will just inform the dealer either to change the wheel speed dramaticaly ( and your game is over cause different scatter) either they will inform to say N.M.B very soon.
Factor no 3 you must not be the same person make predictions and had scout the weels because there is already a red flag on you.

So as you can see there are so many IFs ( bold letters) and so many factors that VB is just for the house DVDs entertainment.( strong DDs , none is watching to kill your game , big heavy balls and high wheel frets and ball decleration that even a blind man can identify)

Keep in mind the person who wrote this post had invented the most accurate RC way of prediction on the planet... where( if the ball speed was constant in the correct rev) the Rc is giving a signal NO BET when the ball is NOT gonna hit the DD and can also take advantage on 2 DDs.
Keep also in mind that my eyes in corralation with my brain are so sharp that I can identify when the ball has change speed in the correct revolution and IF it will hit the next pin that can also take advantage or if the ball had made a strange speed and will not hit one of the 2 pins desired.
Been there done that and it s not practical to make money with this way.
The ball speed ranges are dynamic and not constant.(just like randomness)

So VB is a theoritical game and not practical.

Ps. I can t speak about Bias play because I have never played this way... And if i don t know something really well , I don t express opinion.
Well , Duncan, you just did !!! You expressed your opinion about something that you do not understand.  It's vb. You have very incorrect " perfect knolidge" about it, that's why it cannot work for you.
You are obviously right in what you tolk here, all the factors you mentioned in your post do in fact change!!! You perfectly listed all problems of "traditional" view on vb. And l say you VERY BIG THANK YOU for spearing me time and effort to do it myself.
But one thing you got absolutely wrong!!! You mention too much word " you" in your post. How in this world all problems you mentioned are related to me personally? I do not use your algorithm of prediction and do not have any of the problems you mentioned in your post. My vb is simply different of all that you know, it doesn't care about revolutions for example,  l do not identify them or care about them. Neither l care about diamonds that much. If you see video of my rc demonstration, you will have a chance to understand why. I simply do not know wich diamond ball will hit  and do not really bother to know it.
Sorry to desapoint you, but your " perfect knolidge" or " perfect rc" are not that perfect as you think. In fact it's so far away from perfection as it can get. You simply got EVERYTHING you could get wrong.
« Last Edit: January 21, 2017, 01:35:14 AM by MrPerfect. »