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#### MrPerfect.

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##### Re: In Defense of Patterns
« Reply #15 on: October 07, 2016, 11:15:08 AM »
MrPerfect what do you mean with the more fallen numbers. Is thet related to a wheel or a RNG.

What are your triggers playing  your method. I thought that AP players do not use triggers. An AP player decides his bets on observation of the wheel rotation and the velocity of the ball.

AP have 3 main methods to play roulette.
1.dealer signature
2. Visual ballistic
3. Bias play.
In this particular topic l tolk  about bias play related situations.
AP is all about triggers. Anything can become one as long as there is verified correlation between observed event and outcome.
Examples would be:
1..favorable conditions ( rotor speed, ball behaviour. .ets).
2... frequencies of hits , sequences in these frequencies.
3.. consistency in positive/ negative results.
How to put it in simple terms to avoid confusion, l wish l knew for sure, but lll try...
Favorable conditions are self explanatory,  aren't they?
How often hits are in relation to expected can show us overall situation in the game, how good is it .
Consistency in results can permit us to judge stability of conditions... it's not bet after " virtual hit or loss" but rather " how many hits were in " x " of last spins " and was there any unexpected gaps between them.
....
More fallen numbers is related to wheel itself and possibility to select conditions when it's " true".
« Last Edit: October 07, 2016, 11:19:38 AM by MrPerfect. »

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#### scepticus

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##### Re: In Defense of Patterns
« Reply #16 on: October 07, 2016, 11:50:17 AM »
MrPerfect what do you mean with the more fallen numbers. Is thet related to a wheel or a RNG.

What are your triggers playing  your method. I thought that AP players do not use triggers. An AP player decides his bets on observation of the wheel rotation and the velocity of the ball.

AP have 3 main methods to play roulette.
1.dealer signature
2. Visual ballistic
3. Bias play.
In this particular topic l tolk  about bias play related situations.
AP is all about triggers. Anything can become one as long as there is verified correlation between observed event and outcome.
Examples would be:
1..favorable conditions ( rotor speed, ball behaviour. .ets).
2... frequencies of hits , sequences in these frequencies.
3.. consistency in positive/ negative results.
How to put it in simple terms to avoid confusion, l wish l knew for sure, but lll try...
Favorable conditions are self explanatory,  aren't they?
How often hits are in relation to expected can show us overall situation in the game, how good is it .
Consistency in results can permit us to judge stability of conditions... it's not bet after " virtual hit or loss" but rather " how many hits were in " x " of last spins " and was there any unexpected gaps between them.
....
More fallen numbers is related to wheel itself and possibility to select conditions when it's " true".
Doesn't your examples of bias play not also apply to VB  ?
How many trials do you think are needed to show consistency of results ?
You ask us to focus on AP and ask Bayes to help you .Why don't you help Bayes to perfect HIS method ?
As HarryJ has said why should we change to AP when we profit with method ? So why don't you try Bayes Method  ?  You may find it more profitable than your version  of AP .

#### Reyth

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##### Re: In Defense of Patterns
« Reply #17 on: October 07, 2016, 12:05:08 PM »
I like his fallen number method it sounds very much like its "system friendly".  In fact, it might work very well with Kav's 5 number Paroli system for number selection, now that I think about it!

#### MrPerfect.

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##### Re: In Defense of Patterns
« Reply #18 on: October 07, 2016, 12:29:17 PM »
MrPerfect what do you mean with the more fallen numbers. Is thet related to a wheel or a RNG.

What are your triggers playing  your method. I thought that AP players do not use triggers. An AP player decides his bets on observation of the wheel rotation and the velocity of the ball.

AP have 3 main methods to play roulette.
1.dealer signature
2. Visual ballistic
3. Bias play.
In this particular topic l tolk  about bias play related situations.
AP is all about triggers. Anything can become one as long as there is verified correlation between observed event and outcome.
Examples would be:
1..favorable conditions ( rotor speed, ball behaviour. .ets).
2... frequencies of hits , sequences in these frequencies.
3.. consistency in positive/ negative results.
How to put it in simple terms to avoid confusion, l wish l knew for sure, but lll try...
Favorable conditions are self explanatory,  aren't they?
How often hits are in relation to expected can show us overall situation in the game, how good is it .
Consistency in results can permit us to judge stability of conditions... it's not bet after " virtual hit or loss" but rather " how many hits were in " x " of last spins " and was there any unexpected gaps between them.
....
More fallen numbers is related to wheel itself and possibility to select conditions when it's " true".
Doesn't your examples of bias play not also apply to VB  ?
How many trials do you think are needed to show consistency of results ?
You ask us to focus on AP and ask Bayes to help you .Why don't you help Bayes to perfect HIS method ?
As HarryJ has said why should we change to AP when we profit with method ? So why don't you try Bayes Method  ?  You may find it more profitable than your version  of AP .
Scepticus, l focus here not on method itself but on application of it. In other words " how to squeeze max of money in shortest time with reasonable risk.
Besides , with positive expectation in bet selection , any " method" will do better then assuming " random" situation.  Variance is still present, but bigger part of it will be on positive side. So qwestions are, how to ride positive of it and avoid negative aspect.
It's will be same as " system play" , difference is that we allow for system to perform in its best.
You are the one to advocate always " wise bet sellection" , l assume it will be interesting for you as well.
You probably wouldn't deny the fact that without zero is more easy to win, imagine situations when not only zero is removed from the game itself, but some more other numbers as well. This is what AP does. However, rest of numbers are still MANY. This is where " system play" approach could be beneficial to find best options to profit.
People are forced to belive that AP and system play are different, it's all bulls***.  It's all same, situations are just slightly different in expectations, but problems are identical.

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#### Bayes

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##### Re: In Defense of Patterns
« Reply #19 on: October 07, 2016, 02:17:28 PM »
People are forced to belive that AP and system play are different, it's all bulls***.  It's all same, situations are just slightly different in expectations, but problems are identical.

How refreshing.

p.s. I've sent you a pm.
« Last Edit: October 07, 2016, 02:28:27 PM by Bayes »

#### MrPerfect.

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##### Re: In Defense of Patterns
« Reply #20 on: October 07, 2016, 02:53:42 PM »
People are forced to belive that AP and system play are different, it's all bulls***.  It's all same, situations are just slightly different in expectations, but problems are identical.

How refreshing.

p.s. I've sent you a pm.
l sent you one as well...

#### MrPerfect.

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##### Re: In Defense of Patterns
« Reply #21 on: October 09, 2016, 08:50:12 AM »
I'm here sencerely lost. Is it " exclusive " part of systems play forum?

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##### Re: In Defense of Patterns
« Reply #22 on: October 09, 2016, 09:37:45 AM »
I like his fallen number method it sounds very much like its "system friendly".  In fact, it might work very well with Kav's 5 number Paroli system for number selection, now that I think about it!
Forgive me Reyth, l took some time to answer for your post... there was a genuine reason for that . I'm still waiting for confirmation of the fact that " this part of the forum is systems only"...
In fact you are right. Altroth sequences approach works it's best with AP methods( where player edge is high), it can perform well in " negative expectation" situations.
It's not a HG, but definitely a " bread maker" on its own right.
More l think about it, l will request help of entire community of " exclusive part " of forum to help me perfect and test it in application to system play.
Now lm creating " tasks list" , just things to brainstorm and consider, lines of thought to test... ets.

#### kav

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##### Re: In Defense of Patterns
« Reply #23 on: October 09, 2016, 12:02:40 PM »
Mr Perfect
If you go to the forum home page you can see clearly the System Player's exclusive board.

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##### Re: In Defense of Patterns
« Reply #24 on: October 11, 2016, 01:28:58 PM »
I posted an example how " patterns" can help a bit on exclusive part of forum , by name of " sequencing method".

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##### Re: In Defense of Patterns
« Reply #25 on: February 06, 2017, 05:29:46 AM »
There are not any useful pattern which can be used as a rule. It may for physical or other reasons emerge situations there numbers or other pattern show up. Noting down them for many days would not help, as they are not living long.
We do not know if it is something going on which is of any use.

It is for example normally better bet on repeating numbers or other thing we see or think we see will continue. It may not help, and if the conditions are static it will not. No casino will miss to correct anything readable, they know very soon if the equipment may be "readable".

It is also very hard to estimate this, was it luck?

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#### MrPerfect.

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##### In defence of patterns.
« Reply #26 on: February 06, 2017, 01:48:33 PM »
There are not any useful pattern which can be used as a rule. It may for physical or other reasons emerge situations there numbers or other pattern show up. Noting down them for many days would not help, as they are not living long.
We do not know if it is something going on which is of any use.

It is for example normally better bet on repeating numbers or other thing we see or think we see will continue. It may not help, and if the conditions are static it will not. No casino will miss to correct anything readable, they know very soon if the equipment may be "readable".

It is also very hard to estimate this, was it luck?
If you can bet after ball was launched, you can adjust to new conditions or just skip bets when it's not favorable.
To be sure that what you see is not due to luck alone, assessment of " chance of random" can be used. Collecting statistically relevant samples helps as well.
I know, it may be required " too much" from new players, but if you are serious about this game, multivariable analytical skills is a nessesary requirement in order to succeed.  Things to consider highly: canonical correlation,factor analysis,  group membership analysis. .. ets.
Physical factors like ball in use or wheel set up can and should be directly monitored , if you do not want surprises obviously .
It all actually boils down to effort invested in both ... shaping up your skills and their upplication.