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Re: No Zero Roulette
« Reply #30 on: July 18, 2016, 11:39:32 AM »
BA,

Are you a so called "Advantage Player", do you play wheel bias, visual ballistics or the dealer's signature or something?


Kind of...but I don't have to explain my method(s) here.

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Because if you do not, then I don't see why you object to RNG roulette.
Unless you believe they are all rigged.

That's a possibility...besides I'm enjoying the casino atmosphere more than online casinos.

Like Scep said: "Different strokes for different folks..."! 8)
That's different than calling RNG roulette a slot machine.
 

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Re: No Zero Roulette
« Reply #31 on: July 18, 2016, 11:49:29 AM »
BA,

Are you a so called "Advantage Player", do you play wheel bias, visual ballistics or the dealer's signature or something?


Kind of...but I don't have to explain my method(s) here.

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Because if you do not, then I don't see why you object to RNG roulette.
Unless you believe they are all rigged.

That's a possibility...besides I'm enjoying the casino atmosphere more than online casinos.

Like Scep said: "Different strokes for different folks..."! 8)
That's different than calling RNG roulette a slot machine.

But it IS like slut machine, you stroke your mouse, put the bets where you want and after several results you are getting your bts back minus HE.

Being programmed to be so, like slots.
BTW all modern sluts come with electronic chips, the shame for air balls, for automatic shufflers...

The moment you replace humans by machine, it's the very moment which civilization starts to colapse...
The secret agenda wants humans like machines and machines like humans...

 

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Re: No Zero Roulette
« Reply #32 on: July 18, 2016, 12:01:10 PM »
A BM wheel is "programmed" to pay unfair odds, like most RNG do. It is a few wheels pays the true odds. That is not any difference between a honest RNG and a honest wheel.  If some could point out the difference, I have  never seen any can say this numbers are RNG and this numbers are a wheel (and be right).  Random is random. NOZ are very much better than any BM, as no BM has no HA.
 
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Re: No Zero Roulette
« Reply #33 on: July 18, 2016, 12:12:43 PM »
A BM wheel is "programmed" to pay unfair odds, like most RNG do. It is a few wheels pays the true odds. That is not any difference between a honest RNG and a honest wheel.  If some could point out the difference, I have  never seen any can say this numbers are RNG and this numbers are a wheel (and be right).  Random is random. NOZ are very much better than any BM, as no BM has no HA.

Show me 100 spins from live casino and 100 from RNG and I'm going to tell you the difference.
But if you think you can fool me by giving me 2 from live or 2 from RNG, think again...!

By the way, my wishes for fast recovery.
 

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Re: No Zero Roulette
« Reply #34 on: July 18, 2016, 12:52:36 PM »
Let me put one thing straight, it's one thing a software to be programmed according some specific odds and completely different the random wheel.

First of all, the wheel has a physical presence, right in front of the player.
On the other hand you have some circuit on a server with an algorithm...not my cup of coffee.

An unbiased wheel, thus random, anything could happen.
A programmed software which it calculates money wagered, given odds and procceeds results/payouts accordingly.

The slots for example, you may win a jackpot and become millionaire but every single slot has been programmed to do so only when has received sufficient money before gives the jackpot.

The total sum of money shucked by the machine doesn't have to be by you only, you might say: "but I've won..." yes it happens from time to time, it happened to me to when I used to play online, BUT you don't know how many others paid for your profit...

All in all, RNG is RNG and live casino the real deal,  a no comparison in my opinion except if you have no other choice.
 

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Re: No Zero Roulette
« Reply #35 on: July 18, 2016, 01:29:22 PM »
A programmed software which it calculates money wagered, given odds and procceeds results/payouts accordingly.

That's not how roulette RNG works. Only if it's rigged. The software is only "programmed" to select numbers randomly from the virtual wheel, it isn't programmed to pay out according to money wagered. That's how it differs from a slot machine (if indeed a slot machine does work that way).

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Show me 100 spins from live casino and 100 from RNG and I'm going to tell you the difference.
But if you think you can fool me by giving me 2 from live or 2 from RNG, think again...!

You're on! I'll start another thread for it later.
 

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Re: No Zero Roulette
« Reply #36 on: July 20, 2016, 12:39:44 PM »

@ Bayes

I'm still waiting for your random generated numbers, from algorithms and wheels.
 

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Re: No Zero Roulette
« Reply #37 on: July 20, 2016, 02:29:37 PM »
@ BA,

Haven't forgotten. I need to get some spins which aren't in the public domain.
 

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Re: No Zero Roulette
« Reply #38 on: July 20, 2016, 02:55:53 PM »
@ BA,

Haven't forgotten. I need to get some spins which aren't in the public domain.

Provide me at least 111 spins from each, I will explain also why I believe so rather than say this is that because even by luck I could identify them correctly with a 50% chance.
 

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Re: No Zero Roulette
« Reply #39 on: July 20, 2016, 07:01:23 PM »
BA,

I was planning to list or upload a file of 2000 spins - 20 sessions of 100 spins each. In order for this test to actually mean something (assuming you "pass" it), there should be a minimum of 20 samples. We can then calculate the statistical significance of the results using a standard statistical test called the Binomial test.

For 20 samples, you need to get 15 or more correct.

I'll generate the sequence of RNG/Actuals randomly. That is, I'll get a random sequence of 20 even chance outcomes and allocate the RNG spins to one side and the actuals to the other.

Take as long as you like before submitting your answers.  :)
 
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Re: No Zero Roulette
« Reply #40 on: July 20, 2016, 08:18:06 PM »
BA,

I was planning to list or upload a file of 2000 spins - 20 sessions of 100 spins each. In order for this test to actually mean something (assuming you "pass" it), there should be a minimum of 20 samples. We can then calculate the statistical significance of the results using a standard statistical test called the Binomial test.

For 20 samples, you need to get 15 or more correct.

I'll generate the sequence of RNG/Actuals randomly. That is, I'll get a random sequence of 20 even chance outcomes and allocate the RNG spins to one side and the actuals to the other.

Take as long as you like before submitting your answers.  :)

I want to see results as numbers, not like black, red...etc
 

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Re: No Zero Roulette
« Reply #41 on: July 20, 2016, 08:21:30 PM »
BA,

I was planning to list or upload a file of 2000 spins - 20 sessions of 100 spins each. In order for this test to actually mean something (assuming you "pass" it), there should be a minimum of 20 samples. We can then calculate the statistical significance of the results using a standard statistical test called the Binomial test.

For 20 samples, you need to get 15 or more correct.

I'll generate the sequence of RNG/Actuals randomly. That is, I'll get a random sequence of 20 even chance outcomes and allocate the RNG spins to one side and the actuals to the other.

Take as long as you like before submitting your answers.  :)

And something else about the law of thirds, if you had 2 options, which one would you choose?

1) 6 out of 9 chances to win

2) 24 out of 36 chances to win
 

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Re: No Zero Roulette
« Reply #42 on: July 20, 2016, 09:07:41 PM »
I want to see results as numbers, not like black, red...etc

By even chance I mean that each 100 spin session (consisting of numbers) can be either RNG or Actual spins. So the sequence could be

R
   A
   A
R
   A
R
....

where each R and A consists of 100 numbers. But of course each R and A won't be marked as R or A (that's your job).

 

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Re: No Zero Roulette
« Reply #43 on: July 20, 2016, 10:02:09 PM »
I want to see results as numbers, not like black, red...etc

By even chance I mean that each 100 spin session (consisting of numbers) can be either RNG or Actual spins. So the sequence could be

R
   A
   A
R
   A
R
....

where each R and A consists of 100 numbers. But of course each R and A won't be marked as R or A (that's your job).

no problem sir!
 

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Re: No Zero Roulette
« Reply #44 on: July 23, 2016, 04:54:33 AM »
It's RNG and allows only 5 to 6 spins without betting.

Exactly 3. You have to then bet at least once, then get another 3 non bet spins.