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Visual Ballistics / Re: Advantage play discussion
« Last post by palestis on Yesterday at 11:57:55 PM »
I think the problem is luck of examples when it comes to AP.
When I post about a system, I usually try to give a real life example, in a language simple enough for a layman to understand.
Then everybody gets the chance  to see it, test and report back the results.
Mr. P's presentation is too cryptic at best.
Rather than providing a real life example with all the explanations necessary, he enlists the underlying power of physics in general to add weight in favor of his argument, while blatantly dismissing everything that has to do with systems by referring them to the GF or the concept of randomness.
That's y we get statements like a spin is different than a spin result. You have to spin to get a spin result. Or is it if the dealer looks towards the ceiling the spin (and therefore its result) doesn't count, as opposed to looking directly at the ball when the spin and its result counts?
Or is it only qualified spins count and therefore only numbers that came from qualified spins can be accepted for further processing?
Do you want a guitar teacher that talks about chords all day long, and never takes the time to show you what specific frets to put your fingers on ?
Luck of examples makes every argument rather dubious instead of convincing.

Casino Lounge / Re: Stop Loss
« Last post by MickyP on Yesterday at 10:53:59 PM »
I got your point Bebediktus. I should have pointed out that "stop loss" is a tool for system players as the accuracy of prediction differs from that of a good AP.

Losing your spot at the table because you used a stop loss and then discovering you lost because you played wrong is a life saver. Imagine if you just carried on playing. You would have maybe lost everything because being involved in the game you may not have pick up on your mistake. So in your scenario a stop loss would have been good. You survive to play later or another day.

The fact that different player types don't understand each other is sad.
Roulette Systems / Re: a VERY nice repeater (hot) method from Ken
« Last post by MickyP on Yesterday at 10:31:54 PM »
So repeats on a single zero wheel should be higher giving more wins. That's logical but shouldn't make that much of a difference. Ken has based his system on the 00 wheel and according to him it's a winning system.
Roulette Systems / Re: a VERY nice repeater (hot) method from Ken
« Last post by Jesper on Yesterday at 10:23:40 PM »
It is the house advantages which is high, and if it is high, it is better playing fewer numbers. And less numbers repeat more.
Visual Ballistics / Re: Advantage play discussion
« Last post by MickyP on Yesterday at 10:23:24 PM »
Reading this thread was like watching a tug of war match. I would have liked there to have been a conclusion.

I think the big problem here is the lack of understanding. Spin history is not the same for both player types. To the system/method player it is simply a string of past numbers on which gamblers fallacy is based. For AP a string of past numbers is of little value without the data relating to the ball and cylinder movements of each spins.

I may not be qualified enough to speak with authority on AP subjects but any rational thinking person will be able to pick up that the discussion deteriorates into pettiness in spite of valid points being presented to explain the reason for AP data collection.

The lack of understanding is evident in the presumed AP play on a bias wheel where they will play only one section of the wheel spin after spin. To my knowledge this is not how a bias wheel is played. The ball still lands all over the wheel but will favour numbers in one section more when the prediction based on ball spin behaviour is calculated to land in that section.

There are system/strategy players who confirm that systems will lose in the long run and it is accepted as proven fact. Gamblers fallacy is based on system play. AP can not be affected by gamblers fallacy based on the definition of the fallacy.

Roulette Systems / Re: a VERY nice repeater (hot) method from Ken
« Last post by funtomas76 on Yesterday at 10:11:38 PM »
I don't understand left side and right side.
Numbers that have won you put to the right side of you list and never dropp it from the list ?
Casino Lounge / Re: Stop Loss
« Last post by Bebediktus on Yesterday at 09:22:38 PM »
Hard with you  :)

If player loosing - main what he must do - understand why he loosing !!!
He will stop play, or will continue is his matter.

Say what is wrong in this - I am loosing and without stop play,  find reason - something change and start win - all that i do - without stoping play. And this last is very important !!

I will say why, some simple reason from many. Say in such situation i stop play wake up from table - mine place take other, after that i notice mine mistake and see, that i can have 30% advantage, but table is all full - i simply cant play !!!
How for you such scenario ?  :)

Ok guys, you are players for fun - like gamblers and your behavior is other and for you is very hard to understand thinking player, which lives from winnings....

That is main, why here are always confrontation between AP and gamblers  - they simply not understand each others....

But other cant be - or gambler become AP , or AP  become gambler... ;)
Roulette Systems / Re: a VERY nice repeater (hot) method from Ken
« Last post by MickyP on Yesterday at 08:44:19 PM »
Oh boy, the zeros again. I really don't understand your point about double zero and single zero tables. Both wheels produce repeating numbers and the system is based on repeating numbers

The system is also played flat betting. The new rule of restarting the 8 count will put your win at a minus value when flat betting. If this rule is used then a progression should be considered so a win will put you in a plus balance.
Casino Lounge / Re: Stop Loss
« Last post by MickyP on Yesterday at 08:25:18 PM »
You are correct. If you are losing stop at the stop loss limit. There is no limit or cut off if you are winning.
Stop loss means to stop losing at a predetermined point no matter how you are playing.
You set the stop loss limit for yourself.

I hope I understood you correctly.
Casino Lounge / Re: Stop Loss
« Last post by Bebediktus on Yesterday at 07:47:00 PM »
So if i use some system and play , so i must stop that do, if want better for me ? :)
It is bad criterium .
Good criterium is - play as long as possible when you have advantage and not play at all when you - not have.
System or not system - here is far behind.

Remember - main - if you have advantage or not !
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