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Re: Fallacious Holy Grail
« Reply #30 on: January 13, 2016, 12:04:27 AM »
Let's face it,this is a grind system, but what if you use profits to escalate gradually the unit value...?
From 1 to 5,to 10,to 20,to 25,to 50,to 100...etc
Wizard of Vegas declared that even with 1% edge one could become millionaire within months (5 to 6) by compounding profits.
Suddenly you realize the size of opportunity before your very eyes but your mindset refuses to believe it because what you call reality became a synonym with hard, insufficient, even unfair sometimes by the mainstream,conventional sense.
Your reality has been manipulated since you have been borned, now it's time to change it!
Cheers to all of you midnight marauders!;-)
 

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Re: Fallacious Holy Grail
« Reply #31 on: January 13, 2016, 12:25:21 AM »
Blue Angel, yeah definitely not trying to pick holes in your ideas, certainly does interest me and could well be worth pursuing, I tend to be very open-minded until proved otherwise and think all of us on here are striving for the same net result.

The key for me as I alluded to and so did you re the one set/partial set above 50% is just that, in order for this to have long term viability it has to give us that fluctuation above 50% at some point. If it does then you are definitely on to something.

You're also correct in that mindset is a funny old thing and perhaps results in life in general can be attributed to as much as 99% mindset and 1 % application/idea and not as most believe the reverse.

Anyhow up early so catch you all later.
 

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Re: Fallacious Holy Grail
« Reply #32 on: January 28, 2016, 06:20:14 PM »


Just a few important notes;

Whenever you reach a new high in your balance reset your bet to 1 unit or quit for the session.

In the examples we've demonstrated a betting limit of 64 units and 222 spins (6 cycles), but better to be prepared for 128 units max bet and 333 spins max duration.

In other words for 64 units max bet your bankroll must be 600 units, for 128 units max bet your bankroll must be 1000 units, for max duration of 222 spins is approximately 4 hours, for 333 spins is moreless 6 hours (BM casino).

The more prepared you are, the better you can do!
 

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Re: Fallacious Holy Grail
« Reply #33 on: January 28, 2016, 06:30:50 PM »
Wow thanks!  I was wondering about this...

Actually your system is pretty kewl for online roulette where 37 spins can be knocked out within 5 minutes.

Amazing!  This can be applied to a single double street!  Every 4 spins OR a hit = a single spin of the 37.

Hmmm, I think I will try this on D"Alembert Highway:

Every 4 spins OR a HIGHWAY hit = a single spin of the 37.  A SIDE STREET hit moves back a spin (of the 4) or does a mirror: 1 2 3 * -1  -2 -3 with the spin count.

Man this should rock...

Man this is working so good I think I will make a video on my development vlog...

Yup nailed 100 units in about 15 minutes and its on tape too!  : D

Followed that up with another 90+ units in 37 spins.  Just like on the video I win almost every spin, I mean its probably 75% or better?

Just to be absolutely clear on the concept, we have MICRO spins which are 4 spins of the D'Alembert Highway which make up 1 MACRO spin with Blue's FHG.  When the MACRO spins get to 37 we analyze our balance and either lock in profit for a new high or raise doubling our bets for the next 37 MACRO spins.

Within the MICRO spins there are side street hits which move the spin count back one full spin.  If the count is 1 then a mirror is used to take the fullest possible advantage of every side street hit to prolong the MICRO spins so that a win is produced; a MICRO HIGHWAY hit automatically equals a MACRO spin and the MICRO counter starts over.

The great thing is D'Alembert Highway pays 3:1 instead of an EC paying only 1:1.

                                       
                                                           
                                                                     
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Re: Fallacious Holy Grail
« Reply #34 on: January 29, 2016, 01:47:30 PM »
WOOT!  Just went 2-4-8-16 in the progression and BAM nailed 198 units for my time and effort!



I had like 3 side hits in a row and went 2 steps into the mirror when the highway hit. : )
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Re: Fallacious Holy Grail
« Reply #35 on: January 29, 2016, 02:21:41 PM »
WOOT!  Just went 2-4-8-16 in the progression and BAM nailed 198 units for my time and effort!



I had like 3 side hits in a row and went 2 steps into the mirror when the highway hit. : )

Clever implementation, however, the higher returns prospect demands higher bankroll too, say a scale of sixfold?!
 

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Re: Fallacious Holy Grail
« Reply #36 on: January 29, 2016, 02:57:22 PM »
Right well there are 3 stations that are bet 4 times for a total of 12 bets.  Those 12 bets for 37 spins represents a factor of 444*128= 56832.  O_o 

Wow.  I didn't realize it was so high...

Of course it could be done with a single dozen with a payout of 2:1 and a factor of 2:1, so 256*37= 9472 units.

Or two double streets with a payout of 4:1 and a factor of 4:1, so 512*37= 18944 units.

Hmmm, how are you figuring your bankroll requirements?

I mean, shouldn't it be 128*37= 4700 units as the minimum requirement?  But you have it as 1000 units?
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Re: Fallacious Holy Grail
« Reply #37 on: January 29, 2016, 03:17:25 PM »
Right well there are 3 stations that are bet 4 times for a total of 12 bets.  Those 12 bets for 37 spins represents a factor of 444*128= 56832.  O_o 

Wow.  I didn't realize it was so high...

Of course it could be done with a single dozen with a payout of 2:1 and a factor of 2:1, so 256*37= 9472 units.

Or two double streets with a payout of 4:1 and a factor of 4:1, so 512*37= 18944 units.

Hmmm, how are you figuring your bankroll requirements?

I mean, shouldn't it be 128*37= 4700 units as the minimum requirement?  But you have it as 1000 units?

No, I add the maximum bet in order to overcome the worst possible scenario on the top of the lowest balance.

If you calculate your bets in the sequence which represents the worst ever in roulette history, would require much higher bankroll and table limits.
Why to take the long way when you only need to increase the unit value?!

Besides we know about the EC's, but do you know what is the equivalent worst possible for the streets??
If for EC's needed 6 to 9 cycles top, for the streets must be much longer, therefore not only a question of money but time too!
 

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Re: Fallacious Holy Grail
« Reply #38 on: January 29, 2016, 03:34:16 PM »

Btw, just to be clear, the implementation is not my idea but is a concept taught by the YouTube guy that made D'Alembert Avenue.  I just applied the principles he taught to specific betting strategies. : )

Just about everything I do in roulette is "stolen" from someone else and then tweaked and modified. X D

A double street can reasonably be expected to go missing for 84 times, HOWEVER, with the Highway bet, that is reduced to only 65 times AND with the factor of 4 that is reduced to only 17 times in MACRO-FHG spins, WHICH IS BETTER THAN AN EC BET!!!

However, you cause me to re-examine the bet selection and I am finding that a simple 2 double streets spun twice performs better than the Highway; the max consecutive loss is also 17 but the payout is 4:1 instead of 3:1!

So all personal sentiments aside, I will now be using the 2 double streets spun twice which according to your calculations (which I still do not understand) that should require only 4000 units?

I am going to call it Double-D-FHG.

App attached.  Simply hit "+" for every spin and "Hit" for every hit and the app will do the rest.  "New" will reset to a new spin session; if you want to reset all counters to 0, press "r".  The app will beep after 37 spins to remind you to check your balance.  Please note that this app is for 2 completely separate double streets bet simultaneously.
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Re: Fallacious Holy Grail
« Reply #39 on: January 30, 2016, 07:35:55 AM »
Just went  1,2,4,8,16,32,64 and came back with a substantial profit.  It was really amazing to see the numbers come back in a large wave.  Ended up running slightly above expectation for 207 FHG spins.

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Besides we know about the EC's, but do you know what is the equivalent worst possible for the streets??If for EC's needed 6 to 9 cycles top, for the streets must be much longer, therefore not only a question of money but time too!


On the cycles required, I just want to reiterate that we are spinning the 2 DS TWICE to equal a single EC spin in your system.  This outperforms an EC on payout, hit percentage and longest loss streak expected.  That should sufficiently also address cycles then, right?


Yes, on time, it takes twice as long in spins to hit a cycle in your system.  I play online, so I don't mind it because takes me less than 10 minutes to complete a cycle.
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Re: Fallacious Holy Grail
« Reply #40 on: January 30, 2016, 01:07:49 PM »
Just went  1,2,4,8,16,32,64 and came back with a substantial profit.  It was really amazing to see the numbers come back in a large wave.  Ended up running slightly above expectation for 207 FHG spins.

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Besides we know about the EC's, but do you know what is the equivalent worst possible for the streets??If for EC's needed 6 to 9 cycles top, for the streets must be much longer, therefore not only a question of money but time too!


On the cycles required, I just want to reiterate that we are spinning the 2 DS TWICE to equal a single EC spin in your system.  This outperforms an EC on payout, hit percentage and longest loss streak expected.  That should sufficiently also address cycles then, right?


Yes, on time, it takes twice as long in spins to hit a cycle in your system.  I play online, so I don't mind it because takes me less than 10 minutes to complete a cycle.

But not everyone plays online, so it's a matter of time.
However, I've never understood why two spins of two six-lines equals 1 spin of an EC, sounds Chinese to me!
It's like comparing oranges with apples, two different things.

Besides whether you select streets or lines, they cannot replace red/black and even/odd because they are representing only parts of the low/high, therefore you are missing the greatest option roulette has to offer, this is that you can select anytime among six EC's, you can bet both ways or only one side, you can pick one or more pairs for comparison...
Baccarat has the card counting as in blackjack but blackjack doesn't allow you to bet both ways (to bet on dealer's cards), craps has the dice setting which is controversial matter, you may bet both ways but there is only one pair (Pass/Don't Pass).

All in all I prefer Roulette from all even chances games, on the top of the disadvantages mentioned add that there are very few casinos at Europe which are offering Craps and that in Blackjack there are six decks inside automatic shufflers in almost every casino, without single deck and hand shuffling card counting is useless.

So Reyth, you are neglecting the greatest option Roulette has to offer, I understand that you want to add your personal ''brushes'' to this masterpiece but it doesn't really needs anything else.

I really understand the need to create something you can call your own rather than copying something even if it's 100% bulletproof, why did I posted it the FHG here?
I was almost certain not to share this method but I realize that almost every gambler around the world has put his/her 1 cent to it, some placed more ''cents'' than others, so I've just gathered all those ''cents'' here and there and eventually made a ''dollar'', just put the pieces together and felt that I have to share this.
 

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Re: Fallacious Holy Grail
« Reply #41 on: January 30, 2016, 03:15:29 PM »
However, I've never understood why two spins of two six-lines equals 1 spin of an EC, sounds Chinese to me!
It's like comparing oranges with apples, two different things.

The chances of 2 DS hitting after 2 spins is 54.04% and the payout (in that case and not the first spin which is 4:1) is 1:1 (for an average of 2.5:1).  Therefore, it doesn't equal an EC bet, it surpasses it!

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Besides whether you select streets or lines, they cannot replace red/black and even/odd because they are representing only parts of the low/high, therefore you are missing the greatest option roulette has to offer, this is that you can select anytime among six EC's, you can bet both ways or only one side, you can pick one or more pairs for comparison...

Actually I see it as quite the opposite.  With an EC you are locked in to a specific large group of numbers that cannot be altered.  With lines you are specifically able to choose smaller groups of numbers and have a far wider choice than any single EC can.

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I was almost certain not to share this method but I realize that almost every gambler around the world has put his/her 1 cent to it, some placed more ''cents'' than others, so I've just gathered all those ''cents'' here and there and eventually made a ''dollar'', just put the pieces together and felt that I have to share this.

Kewl!  I am glad you did.  I am only using your system in the best way I know how.  Thanks for sharing it, it works great! : D

Btw, my views are already unpopular because I play exclusively online and so I figure that this would be a great time to share an even more unpopular view:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4AZK2-Tfc84

I het EC's.  Do you ever wonder why casinos would offer "en prison" giving us the gambler the guaranteed chance to earn more money?  Its because its our minds that are in prison thinking that we are getting the best deal from an EC when it specifically limits our earning power and gives the house edge the greatest possible earning power instead.

The casinos have us brainwashed that EC bets are the best deal just as they want us to think that the only factor in roulette is x/37.  Its actually kind of funny because its realizing that there is more to roulette than x/37 that allows our mind to open and see exactly why inside bets are so much better.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YPnGp1QZbxM
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Re: Fallacious Holy Grail
« Reply #42 on: January 30, 2016, 05:07:34 PM »
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The chances of 2 DS hitting after 2 spins is 54.04% and the payout (in that case and not the first spin which is 4:1) is 1:1 (for an average of 2.5:1).  Therefore, it doesn't equal an EC bet, it surpasses it!

Actually I see it as quite the opposite.  With an EC you are locked in to a specific large group of numbers that cannot be altered.  With lines you are specifically able to choose smaller groups of numbers and have a far wider choice than any single EC can.

Sorry to say you are wrong, you are betting 12 numbers and their chance on first spin is 33.33% ,while for the second successive effort you have 50% (ignoring the 0).

The first time you could win 4 units by risking 2, on the second you are risking 2 more units in order to win 2 units net if successful, since this is a series of two consecutive bets we should calculate it accumulatively and not separately.
Let's summarize, you are risking 4 units to win 4 or 2, in other words the prospective profit is equal or half than the total amount you risk.
33.33  times 4 units equal 133.32 net plus 16.66 times 2 units equal 33.32, for a total of 166.64
50 times 4 units equal 200 minus 166.64 equal with a loss of -33.36 every 200 spins on average (ignoring the 0).

Let's check an EC, first time win probability 50% and second successive effort 75% chance of success (ignoring the 0).

Risking 3 units to win 1, in other words the prospective profit is one third of the total amount at risk.
75 times 1 unit equal 75 minus 25 times 3 units equal 75 minus 75 equal 0, in other words no profit nor loss after 200 spins (ignoring the 0).
The same goes for only one effort, 50 times +1 unit minus 50 times -1 unit equal 0 but in this case in 100 spins.

Your two lines bet is more like a splitted dozen.
If you care about payouts, then again you are half-smart, why not to bet straight up the numbers of an EC??
Straight up numbers are providing the best possible payout and flexibility.
Do you still believe you are doing better??
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Re: Fallacious Holy Grail
« Reply #43 on: January 30, 2016, 06:18:58 PM »
First of all, I spun the wheel 16M times and the odds of hitting on the first spin is 32.44% and 54.35% of the time a win occurred on the second spin and so those are the percentages I believe in, actual spins not formulas. 

But I guess you are right, I was deceived by the numbers and an EC works out better than either a dozen or 2 double streets bet twice.  That guy had it wrong.

Thanks for the help. ; )
 

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Re: Fallacious Holy Grail
« Reply #44 on: January 30, 2016, 07:12:52 PM »
First of all, I spun the wheel 16M times and the odds of hitting on the first spin is 32.44% and 54.35% of the time a win occurred on the second spin and so those are the percentages I believe in, actual spins not formulas. 

But I guess you are right, I was deceived by the numbers and an EC works out better than either a dozen or 2 double streets bet twice.  That guy had it wrong.

Thanks for the help. ; )

16 million results are huge sample, however could be deviations from the mean, that's why you came up with slightly different odds.