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Re: Fallacious Holy Grail
« Reply #15 on: January 09, 2016, 04:42:47 PM »
An option which I'm using is a mini martingale of 4 steps (1,2,4,8)
This is my first phase,I keep on my 4 step martingale till it loses, most often than not it produces more (15 or more) units before it loses,thus it covers its cost.
When it loses but my overall balance is in positive,I have 2 options:

1) Quit if the profit is satisfying
2) Continue on the recovery phase which is what I've previously described and my win goal becomes the highest bankroll just before the 4 step marti loses.

If when the 4 step marti loses and my overall balance is negative,then I proceed to recovery phase but this time my win goal is any positive balance,when I achieve this I restart from the mini martingale or take a break.
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Re: Fallacious Holy Grail
« Reply #16 on: January 10, 2016, 11:13:12 PM »
 :o First time poster, long(ish) time player (30 years). After hundreds/thousands of hours playing around with every "system"/staking under the sun including some very promising ideas I can honestly say that whilst my response is guarded there does seem to be something in this.
Will run my own tests and see if it holds up although I respect the current view that if it holds up for 70/200 then as we are not likely to see significantly less than 70/200 there's no reason to see why it would ever fail....just been frustrated by this game for so long that I'm waiting for the 'aha' moment as to why we're doomed!!!!  ;D
 

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Re: Fallacious Holy Grail
« Reply #17 on: January 11, 2016, 12:05:53 AM »
:o First time poster, long(ish) time player (30 years). After hundreds/thousands of hours playing around with every "system"/staking under the sun including some very promising ideas I can honestly say that whilst my response is guarded there does seem to be something in this.
Will run my own tests and see if it holds up although I respect the current view that if it holds up for 70/200 then as we are not likely to see significantly less than 70/200 there's no reason to see why it would ever fail....just been frustrated by this game for so long that I'm waiting for the 'aha' moment as to why we're doomed!!!!  ;D

Nice nickname by the way, does it come from the slogan ''...or your money back guarantee''?!:-D

My original intention was to give some hope and help because I've been walking in your shoes and I really know how it feels...then when you are desperate you look around for something to rely on but the only thing you find is ignorance and persons who want to scam you.

Perhaps could be an even better way,but who knows,the truth is at the tables.
My message to all of you is don't give up and eventually a breakthrough comes...!
 

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Re: Fallacious Holy Grail
« Reply #18 on: January 11, 2016, 05:54:43 PM »
Cheers Blue Angel, the nickname is back from Uni days when me and my fellow skint students used to spend half our days in various Manchester casinos, mainly because it was warm and we used to get free food and drinks!! i guess i used to respond with 'money back' a lot when asked how it was going and its stuck ever since.

All the ideas I've worked on have ultimately come unstuck due to variance and it's uncanny ability to go beyond our reasonable expectations.

If however we are saying that pretty much worst case scenario is 35% even chance over x spins and we have a workable progression then it does sound like the HG. Time will tell!!
 

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Re: Fallacious Holy Grail
« Reply #19 on: January 11, 2016, 06:21:50 PM »
Cheers Blue Angel, the nickname is back from Uni days when me and my fellow skint students used to spend half our days in various Manchester casinos, mainly because it was warm and we used to get free food and drinks!! i guess i used to respond with 'money back' a lot when asked how it was going and its stuck ever since.

All the ideas I've worked on have ultimately come unstuck due to variance and it's uncanny ability to go beyond our reasonable expectations.

If however we are saying that pretty much worst case scenario is 35% even chance over x spins and we have a workable progression then it does sound like the HG. Time will tell!!

You could change that 35% to 33%, it won't make significant difference in regards with the particular progression.
Some people are happy just by not losing when they visit casino because they are getting all the comps they could get, just imagine if you could step inside any casino around the world and you will be on top at the end plus the comps are an extra bonus!
It's very powerful feeling when you already know that each and every time you will be on the positive side of things, that's why it must be controlled in order to maintain emotional balance.
Cheers!
 

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Re: Fallacious Holy Grail
« Reply #20 on: January 11, 2016, 07:09:57 PM »
Hello..  EveryOne ... Great Topic

One  Question ?

An option which I'm using is a mini martingale of 4 steps (1,2,4,8)
This is my first phase,I keep on my 4 step martingale till it loses, most often than not it produces more (15 or more) units before it loses,thus it covers its cost.
When it loses but my overall balance is in positive,I have 2 options:

1) Quit if the profit is satisfying
2) Continue on the recovery phase which is what I've previously described and my win goal becomes the highest bankroll just before the 4 step marti loses.

If when the 4 step marti loses and my overall balance is negative,then I proceed to recovery phase but this time my win goal is any positive balance,when I achieve this I restart from the mini martingale or take a break.

 What is the ""recovery phase"" ... How Do You Play  it... Please Do Tell..
 

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Re: Fallacious Holy Grail
« Reply #21 on: January 11, 2016, 07:14:54 PM »
Since I am here, I think I can answer.  The recovery phase is the implementation of the progression where you double the bet every 35 spins until you hit profit.

Btw, welcome to the best roulette forum on the net, here at roulette30.com!

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Re: Fallacious Holy Grail
« Reply #22 on: January 11, 2016, 08:14:44 PM »
Hello..  EveryOne ... Great Topic

One  Question ?

An option which I'm using is a mini martingale of 4 steps (1,2,4,8)
This is my first phase,I keep on my 4 step martingale till it loses, most often than not it produces more (15 or more) units before it loses,thus it covers its cost.
When it loses but my overall balance is in positive,I have 2 options:

1) Quit if the profit is satisfying
2) Continue on the recovery phase which is what I've previously described and my win goal becomes the highest bankroll just before the 4 step marti loses.

If when the 4 step marti loses and my overall balance is negative,then I proceed to recovery phase but this time my win goal is any positive balance,when I achieve this I restart from the mini martingale or take a break.

 What is the ""recovery phase"" ... How Do You Play  it... Please Do Tell..

The recovery phase is when your bet doubles every 37 spins if your overall is negative.
On recovery phase you reset to 1 unit whenever your overall balance becomes positive.
After recoup you restart from the first phase, however what I call first phase is totally optional, just my suggestion.
If you follow my suggestion, you might want to start the recovery phase by betting 2 units instead of 1 for the first cycle of 37 spins.
 

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Re: Fallacious Holy Grail
« Reply #23 on: January 12, 2016, 10:07:42 PM »
Just a quick thought, I'm trying not to overcomplicate this and can see that with a suitable progression and minimum around 33% EC /200 we can at least break even and 99/100 go into profit (of whatever size).

However if we break this down...we use negative progression and as our percentage recovers from say 29% to the 33% final figure, we recover losses and make a gain on our increased % (we may get 65 to 70% for a number of spins to take the overall % upwards).

This is fine most of the time but what if we get (for sake of the argument) a flat 33% return on all the sets of 35 spins, therefore we would be progressing each set of 35 spins and never recovering our loss. The final figure would be 33% EC but we would be well down. ( it doesn't have to be 33% 33% etc, it could be 30% 36% 32% 42%, if we never have a set or partial set of spins in excess of 50% we won't recover unless my math is incorrect?)
 

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Re: Fallacious Holy Grail
« Reply #24 on: January 12, 2016, 10:27:46 PM »
Just a quick thought, I'm trying not to overcomplicate this and can see that with a suitable progression and minimum around 33% EC /200 we can at least break even and 99/100 go into profit (of whatever size).

However if we break this down...we use negative progression and as our percentage recovers from say 29% to the 33% final figure, we recover losses and make a gain on our increased % (we may get 65 to 70% for a number of spins to take the overall % upwards).

This is fine most of the time but what if we get (for sake of the argument) a flat 33% return on all the sets of 35 spins, therefore we would be progressing each set of 35 spins and never recovering our loss. The final figure would be 33% EC but we would be well down. ( it doesn't have to be 33% 33% etc, it could be 30% 36% 32% 42%, if we never have a set or partial set of spins in excess of 50% we won't recover unless my math is incorrect?)

This 33% cannot go on indefinitely, otherwise the casinos must reform the payout of even chances from 1 to 1 to 1 to 2 as the dozens/columns paying.
What I'm declaring has been verified by millions upon millions of results, many people have simulated results in order to confirm that those 69 out of 200 were indeed the worst.
So don't waste your time by trying to confirm what have already been confirmed.
If what you are trying to ask me is: "is this really holy grail of gambling?" then I'm going to answer you with a question;
Have you or anyone else ever seen a worst situation than what we have already posted/confirmed?
If your answer is no, then here is your answer.
 

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Re: Fallacious Holy Grail
« Reply #25 on: January 12, 2016, 10:44:50 PM »
An up as you lose progression based on the gamblers?  Geez what can possibly go wrong?

 

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Re: Fallacious Holy Grail
« Reply #26 on: January 12, 2016, 10:49:47 PM »
An up as you lose progression based on the gamblers?  Geez what can possibly go wrong?

Perhaps according to you is another system because you didn't get in the trouble to read this topic from the start...
You cannot judge it without understanding where the entire concept is being based.
Next time read everything before making false comments.
Thanks for your understanding.
 

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Re: Fallacious Holy Grail
« Reply #27 on: January 12, 2016, 11:16:37 PM »
Just a quick thought, I'm trying not to overcomplicate this and can see that with a suitable progression and minimum around 33% EC /200 we can at least break even and 99/100 go into profit (of whatever size).

However if we break this down...we use negative progression and as our percentage recovers from say 29% to the 33% final figure, we recover losses and make a gain on our increased % (we may get 65 to 70% for a number of spins to take the overall % upwards).

This is fine most of the time but what if we get (for sake of the argument) a flat 33% return on all the sets of 35 spins, therefore we would be progressing each set of 35 spins and never recovering our loss. The final figure would be 33% EC but we would be well down. ( it doesn't have to be 33% 33% etc, it could be 30% 36% 32% 42%, if we never have a set or partial set of spins in excess of 50% we won't recover unless my math is incorrect?)

I forget to add something VERY IMPORTANT!
In order to fully recover even from the most extreme deviation, the results don't have to balance out, you just need only 1 cycle to contain more wins than losses.
At any given time during the cycles you could reach a positive balance and then restart by reseting the bet to 1 unit.
 

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Re: Fallacious Holy Grail
« Reply #28 on: January 12, 2016, 11:42:56 PM »
Very nice actually.  Its like extending the Martingale out by a factor of 37:1 with a pretty nifty bailout feature. : D
 

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Re: Fallacious Holy Grail
« Reply #29 on: January 12, 2016, 11:47:42 PM »
Very nice actually.  Its like extending the Martingale out by a factor of 37:1 with a pretty nifty bailout feature. : D

Exactly and I have to admit that I'm not big fan of progressions and martingale in particular, however most of all I respect persistent results!