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Re: Extreme
« Reply #15 on: October 12, 2017, 01:25:36 AM »
Hi Sputnik,

I understand the first part with the 15 bets. Would you please explain how you do the situational betting to reduce you bets and avoid the 8 repeats.

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Re: Extreme
« Reply #16 on: October 13, 2017, 03:31:59 PM »
Hi Sputnik,

Here is my attempt to a sequence. Would you have played it the same way?

P P B
P P P
B B P
B B P W
B B B L
P P B
B B P L
P B B
P B P L
B P B
P B B L
P P P
B P B W
P B B
B B B
B P B W
B B B
B B B W
P B P
P B P W

Thanks
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Re: Extreme
« Reply #17 on: October 13, 2017, 03:58:15 PM »


P P B
P P P    L Same formation PP bet B once
B B P   No match and no bet
B B P   W Same formation BB bet P once
B B B
P P B   No match and no bet
B B P   L Same formation BB bet B
P B B   No match and no bet
P B P   L Same formation PB bet B
B P B   No match and no bet
P B B   W We got P amd have two formation PB and one PP so we bet PB
P P P
B P B   No match and no bet
P B B   No match and no bet
B B B   No match and no bet
B P B   W Same formation BP bet B
B B B
B B B   W Same formation BB bet B
P B P
P B P   W Same formation PB bet P

LW-Registry L W L L W W W W

Note that once you got PPB and PBP and PBB then we can skip PP if we don't get PP to bet B to get pattern to repeat - but both PBP and PBB and both begin with PB so we can not wait for PB to hit to cover both patterns to repeat once more - so when P show you bet PB to show to cover both solution for PBP and PBB
If we would had lose the bet and got PP then we would have bet once more for PPB to repeat.
So some times when two patterns has shown and begin with same formation - for example PP or PB or BP or BB then you bet the pattern that has shown twice with two different formation - for example PPP and PPB and you have P to show and next you bet P to get PP to cover both situations for PPP and PPB to repeat.

Here is on other situation where betting take a different path.
Assume get four pattens of the same colour to show in exact order with no chance to bet for repeat.

BBB
BRB
BBR L
BRR L

Two losing bets and now how are you going to cover the situation where one of them might repeat in the future.
Well you force the random flow to show four red patterns with no repeat and getting eight with no repeat and reach 99% probability
So the next bet before the result is known is to bet B once then you cover all four patterns to repeat once.
And continue to do so until one black pattern show and repeat or one of the future red patterns repeat.

BBB
BRB
BBR L
BRR L
RRR L
RBB L
RRB LL
RBR LL

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Re: Extreme
« Reply #18 on: October 13, 2017, 06:44:54 PM »
Thanks Sputnik,

Second attempt

B P B
B B B  No match
P B P  No match
P P P  No match
P B B  L Same formation PB bet P
P B P W We got P. Two formation PB and one PP so bet for PB
P B P
B P P  No match
P P B  No match
P B P  W Same formation PB bet P
P B B
P P P  No match
P P P  W Same formation PP bet P
P B P
P P P  No match
P B B  L Same formation PB bet B
P P P  LW We got P. Two formation PB and one PP so bet for PB. B lost same formation PP bet P
B B P
B B P  W Same formation BB bet P
P B P

LW-registry L W W W L L W W

Did I get this one correct ?

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Re: Extreme
« Reply #19 on: October 13, 2017, 07:37:47 PM »
Aha, so now its 8 bets on a pattern of 24.  Interesting to see the double bet on the last two attempts.

Let me try to see if I understand:

P P B
P P P    L Same formation PP bet B once = We are betting for PPB to repeat
B B P   No match and no bet
B B P   W Same formation BB bet P once = We are betting for BBP to repeat
B B B  = We start over
P P B   No match and no bet
B B P   L Same formation BB bet B = ??? Why do we bet here?  We had a skip?

Shouldn't PPB be "We start over" and the pattern becomes BBP and we start over with each no match?

Ok, I think I get it.  We are ALWAYS betting against the big block of 12 bets until we get a repeat and THEN we start over.

So let me try again.

B B B  = We start over
P P B   No match and no bet = Our unique block results grows bigger
B B P   L Same formation BB bet B = We bet against a unique block entry of BBP
P B B   No match and no bet = Our unique block results grows bigger
P B P   L Same formation PB bet B = We bet that the block will be imperfect and repeat
B P B   No match and no bet = Our unique block results grows bigger

Now we have 3 of each pattern.  The very next result will be the indication of where our repeat must occur.

P B B   W We got P amd have two formation PB and one PP so we bet PB

The ONLY result for the block to be perfect is PPP and so we bet B (for the imperfect repeat) and get it.

The third spin is just to fill in the pattern?  Why don't we start over immediately?
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Re: Extreme
« Reply #20 on: October 13, 2017, 09:59:54 PM »
P B B  L Same formation PB bet B

Here you meant to type P obviously?  I mean you scored it as a loss...  ::)



Hmm, this seems perfect for this money management:

http://forum.roulette30.com/index.php?topic=919.msg13459#msg13459

I think the Carsch Star may be ideal for this as well:

http://forum.roulette30.com/index.php?topic=476.msg5421#msg5421
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Re: Extreme
« Reply #21 on: October 14, 2017, 12:14:54 AM »
Hi Reyth,

Yes you are correct it’s a typo. It should be P. Thanks for the links.

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Re: Extreme
« Reply #22 on: October 14, 2017, 12:28:09 AM »
Here is what I am trying:

Progression
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1 2 4 = -7

Recovery -- 2 wins in a row
========
4 8 16 = -35
18 36 72 = -161

With the first win in recovery, always drop back to the lowest progression spot that will obtain profit for the second win.



Week 1: Goal +70

Code: [Select]
RRR
RBR
BRR
BRB L-1
RBR W+1
========
BRR
RBB
RBR L+0
BRR W+2
========
RBB
BBR
BRR
RRR
BRB L+1
RBB W+3
=========
BBR
RRB
BBR W+4
=========
RBR
RRB
BRR
RRR L+3
BRR W+5
=========
RRR
RBB
RBR L+4
RRB LL-2
RBR W+2

BBB
RRR
RRB L-2
BRB
BBR L-10
RBR L-26
BBR W-8

RRR
RRB L-24
RRR W-6

RRB
BRR
BRR W+10
=========
=========

Day 1 WIN +10

Code: [Select]
RBB
RBB W+1
=========
RRR
RRB L+0
BBB
RBB L-2
BRR
RRR W+2
=========
RBR
BBR
RBB L+1
RRB L-1
BRR
BBB L-5
RBB W-1
=========
RBR
RBR W+3
=========
BRR 
RRR
RRB L+2
RRR W+4
=========
BBB
BRR
RBB
RBB W+5
=========
BRR
BBR
RBB
BBR W+6
=========
BRB
BRR L+5
BRR W+7
=========
RBB
BBR
RBB W+8
=========
RBB
BBR
BBB L+7
BBR W+9
=========
BRB
RBB
RRR
RRB L+8
RRR W+10
=========
=========

Day 2 WIN +20

Code: [Select]
RRR
RBB
RBR L-1
BRR
RBR W+1
==========
RBB
BBB
RBB W+2
==========
RRR
RRB L+1
BRR
BRB L-1
RRR W+3
==========
BRB
BRB W+4
==========
RBB
RRR
BBR
BBR W+5
==========
BBB
RBB
RRR
BBR L+4
BBB W+6
==========
BBB
BBR L+5
RRB
BBB W+7
==========
BBR
BBB L+6
BRB
RBR
RBR W+8
==========
BRR
RRR
RBR
BRB L+7
BBR L+5
RRR W+9
==========
RRR
RBR
BBR
RRB L+8
BBB L+6
BBB W+10
==========
==========

Day 3 WIN +30

Code: [Select]
BBR
BRR
RBB
RBB W+1
=========
BRB
RRB
BBB
RRZB W+2
=========
BRR
BRR W+3
=========
BRB
BRB W+4
=========
RRB
BBB
BRB
BRB W+5
=========
BBB
BBB W+6
=========
RRB
RRB W+7
=========
RBR
RBR W+8
=========
RBR
BRR
BRR W+9
=========
RRB
BBR
RRR L+8
RBR L+6
BBB L+2
RRB W+6

BBB
RRB
RRB W+10
=========
=========

Day 4 WIN +40

Code: [Select]
BBR
BBB L-1
RBR
RBB L-3
BRR L-7
RBR W-3

BRB
RRR
BRR L-7
RBR
RBR W-3

RRR
BRR
BBR
BRR W+1
==========
BRB
RBR
RBB L+0
RBB W+2
==========
RBB
BRB
BRR L+1
BZBB L-5
RRR
RBR L-9
RBB W-1

BRB
BRB W+3
=========
BBR
BRB
RBB
BBB L+2
RBB W+4
=========
RBB
RRB
RBR L+3
BBR
RBR W+5
==========
RRR
RRB L+4
RBB L+2
BRB
BBR
BRR L-2
BBR L-6W+2

BBR
RBB
RBR L-2
RBR W+2

RBR
BBR
BBR W+6
==========
BBB
BRR
BRB L+5
BBB W+7
==========
BBB
RBR
RRR
BRB
RRR W+8
==========
RRR
BRB
BRB W+9
==========
RBB
RBB W+10
==========
==========

Day 5 WIN +50

LLLWLWWLWLLLWWLWLWLLLLWLWWLWWWW

First time I've seen 4 losses in a row in any samples! O_o

Code: [Select]
BBR
RRB
RBB
RRR L-1
BBR W+1
=========
RRR
RBB
BRB
RBB W+2
=========
BRR
RRR
BBR
RRR W+3
=========
BRR
RBB
BRZR W+4
=========
RBB
BBB
BRB
RRR
BRB W+5
=========
RRR
RRB L+4
RRR W+6
=========
BRR
BBR
BRR W+7
=========
BBB
BRB
RRB
RRB W+8
=========
BRB
BRB W+9
=========
RRR
BRR
RRR W+10
==========
==========

Day 6 WIN +60

Code: [Select]
RRB
RBB
BBB
RRR L-1
BBR L-3
BRB L-7
RRB W-3

RBR
BBR
RBB L-7
RBR W-3

BBR
BRR
RRB
RRR L-7
BRR W-3

BBR
BBB L-7
BBR L-3

RRR
RBB
BBB
RBB W+1
=========
BRB
RBB
RBB W+2
=========
RBB
BBB
BRR
RBR L+1
RBB W+3
==========
RBR
BBB
RBB L+2
RRR L+0
BBB W+4
==========
BBR
RBR
RBR W+5
==========
BBB
RRB
BRB
BRB W+6
==========
BBR
BRR
RBB
BRR L+5 [betting error]

BBR
BBR W+7
=========
RBR
RBR W+8
=========
RRR
BBR
BRR
BBB L+7
BRB L+1 <=== all 4 B uniques are in
BBR W+5  <== instant win!

BRR
RRR
BRR W+9
==========
BRB
BBR
RRR
RRR W+10
==========
==========

Day 7 WIN +70

Week 1 Goal Achieved!

Doubling unit size.

Week 2 Goal +210

Code: [Select]
RBB
BBR
RRR
BBR W+2
==========
RRR
RBB
BRR
RRR W+4
==========
RRR
BRB
RRB L+2
BBR
RRB W+6
==========
RBB
RBB W+8
==========
RBB
BBB
BBR L+6
BRR L+2
BRB L-6L-14
RBR L-30L-62
BRR W-26

BBB
RBB
BRR
RRR
RRB L-62
RRB W-26
==========
BRR
RBB
BRR W+10
==========
BRB
BRB W+12
==========
BRB
RRR
RRR W+14
==========
RBB
RBR L+12
BBR
BRB
BRB W+16
==========
BBB
BRB
BRR L+14
BRR W+18
==========
RRR
BRB
RRR W+20
==========
==========

Day 8 WIN +90

WWLWWLLLLLLWLWWWWLWLWW

Worst loss streak so far!

RBR
RBB L-2
RRR L-6
RBB W+2
==========
BBR
RBB
RBR L+0
RRB W+4
==========
RBR
RBB L+2
RRB L-2
BBB
RRR L-10L-18
RBR W-2

RRB
RRR L-10
RBR L-18
BRR
RBB L-34L-66
BRB L-102L-173
RRR W-29

BRR
RRR
BRB L-65
BBB L-137
BBR L-363
RBR L-691
RBB L-1347L-1715
RZBB L-3287W-3554

LLWLWLLLWLLLLWLLLLLLLW

My direct progression approach will not work.  This needs a steam vent which means more spinning is required.

Something like LLL, we stop betting until W and then start again.  This would have produced:

LLWLWLLLLLLLLL

Single wins kill us with successive series of losses.  The only thing I can see working here is a 11 step Martingale:

1 2 4 8 16 32 64 128 256 512 1024 = -2047

1 2 3
4 5 6
7 8 9
10 11 12
13 14 15
16 17 18
19 20 21
22 23 24 <=== 8 bets have failed.  Now we continue to bet opposite of the original pattern.

25 26 27 <=== a hit should be achieved before here, which is the 11th bet.

Thinking about this, since we are constantly switching back and forth from Red to BLack, we are probably incurring the REC and will encounter longer sequences than if we just stayed on Red or Black the whole time.
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Re: Extreme
« Reply #23 on: October 14, 2017, 01:10:06 AM »
I'm having fun with it.  I am using an "up as you win" money management and betting against a .9999991 event.  Succesive loss streaks are minimized because of this.

I can risk something like $1.61 to earn $107.33.  Pretty nifty! :D
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Re: Extreme
« Reply #24 on: October 14, 2017, 09:16:47 AM »


 Hello, nice to see all the action and it looks you get it all right.

I just want tn mention when you bet for example to patterns that start with the same formation
PBB and PBP then next time P hits you bet B to catch PB then it does not matter if PBB or PBP hit as you won  the bet covering both options

The situation can be

PBB

PBP
PPB
P

The only way here to catch a repeat is to bet B next

What you can do is to count how many no repeaters you get like Eriscott HG so when you get six no repeats you bet the last two will become one repeat or if you want to risk more start after five no repeaters.

I solve the puzze with Eriscott HG with my Extreme as i can cover all situation to catch one repeat

Look at this - the count or right side for no repeaters and start after 5 no repeaters W W W W
Code: [Select]
1 2 2
1 1 1
2 2 2
1 1 1 4
1 1 1
1 2 1
1 2 1 3
2 2 2
2 2 2 2
1 1 1
1 1 2
2 1 1
2 2 2
2 1 2 5
2 2 2 WON
2 2 2
1 1 1
2 2 2 3
2 2 1
2 1 2
1 1 1
1 1 2
2 2 2 5
2 2 1 WON
2 2 1
2 2 2
1 2 1
1 2 2
1 1 2 5
2 2 1 WON
2 2 1
2 1 2
1 1 2
1 2 1
1 1 2 5
1 2 1
1 1 2
2 2 1
2 2 1 4
2 2 2
2 2 2 2
2 1 1
1 2 2
2 1 1 3
2 2 2
2 2 2 2
1 1 2
1 2 1
1 2 2
1 2 2 4
1 2 1
1 2 2
2 1 2
2 2 1
2 2 2 5
2 2 1 WON
2 2 2
1 2 2
2 1 2
1 2 1
1 2 2 5
1 1 1
1 2 1
2 1 2
1 2 1 4
2 1 2
1 1 1
1 2 1
2 2 1
2 1 2 5
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Re: Extreme
« Reply #25 on: October 14, 2017, 10:38:09 AM »
Aha, very nice.  Betting deeper in the sequence to avoid the earlier losses.  8)
 

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Re: Extreme
« Reply #26 on: October 14, 2017, 04:07:39 PM »


Here you can download a excel-file that check the last  six non hitting patterns - just click on F9 to get the results

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B3iOsTlu2jO-N3RiTndMTjM2Qk0/view?usp=sharing

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Re: Extreme
« Reply #27 on: October 14, 2017, 05:14:05 PM »
Wow thanks! :D