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#### Sputnik

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##### Playing for several hours flat betting and lose small amounts of money
« on: May 11, 2015, 12:58:13 PM »
I Always search for methods where i can play for many hours and lose as littel as possibal.
This method allow me to stand next to the Wheel and starring into it for several hours.
Without getting any heat or questions from the casino staff.

This method is not a winning method, but the fluctation and the variance allow you to stay close to zero.
I am flat betting singles and sereis of two's.

#### Sputnik

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##### Re: Playing for several hours flat betting and lose small amounts of money
« Reply #1 on: May 11, 2015, 01:00:28 PM »
This is one bad session i got and end at even ...
I don't care if i lose and have to stop playing when i am -3.5 units.
Does i will win back when i apply Visual ballistics.
This way you can collect data for several Days starring into the Wheel without any heat or questions for the casino staff.
Because you look like a system player.

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#### Sputnik

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##### Re: Playing for several hours flat betting and lose small amounts of money
« Reply #2 on: May 11, 2015, 03:29:38 PM »
This is how i see it.
The entering Points and exit Points.

You have 1000 singles and 500 two's and 250 or three's and so on.
Then when you see a serie of Three or larger you bet that a wave of large sereis will begin.
But then can also include series of two's and one isolated single.
Because the exit Point is two singles.

So a dominant chart can look like this.

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Singles start with one isolated single to show and can become a wave of singles.
Then signles and series of two's wins and break even.
That is how you start from the beginning of each dominant wave.
The exit Point is a serie of Three or higher.

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#### Sputnik

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##### Re: Playing for several hours flat betting and lose small amounts of money
« Reply #3 on: May 11, 2015, 03:36:10 PM »
Bayes have made a software towards PnF (Point & Figure).
That charting method describe trends as does i mention above.

The random flow can hovering around with singles and series of two's or it can hovering around with larger series - i prefer the first one.
You have to ask Bayes what entering Points and exit Points he use with hes tracker.
But it chould not matter if you start from scratch as i do with my example or wait for a significant situation.
I belive Slacker is Bayes at this forum.

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#### Sputnik

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##### Re: Playing for several hours flat betting and lose small amounts of money
« Reply #4 on: May 11, 2015, 03:40:42 PM »

Here is the PnF PDF document - its a good read and better then this you don't get using trends.

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##### Re: Playing for several hours flat betting and lose small amounts of money
« Reply #5 on: May 11, 2015, 05:22:30 PM »

There also exist other methods based upon same principals.
I have been hand testing this and then i notice that singles and series of two chops after larger series.
So i try to bet after series of Three and larger series to win once or break even.
I got pretty good result with my first test.

The entering Point and exit Point is as i mention above - win once.
But there will also be variance and fluctation where several series chop Before any singles or two's has a show, but are more rare then common.

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##### Re: Playing for several hours flat betting and lose small amounts of money
« Reply #6 on: May 11, 2015, 05:23:09 PM »
Cool

#### Sputnik

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##### Re: Playing for several hours flat betting and lose small amounts of money
« Reply #7 on: May 11, 2015, 05:56:32 PM »
Thanks Real.

Here is a secound test using the last Entering and exit Points.

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##### Re: Playing for several hours flat betting and lose small amounts of money
« Reply #8 on: May 12, 2015, 12:26:23 PM »

Here is a losing session, i Think 20 units would be a nice loss limit.

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##### Re: Playing for several hours flat betting and lose small amounts of money
« Reply #9 on: May 12, 2015, 03:38:45 PM »
If you wouldn't bet at all would be more clever than pretending you gambling.
At my local casinos I had never such an issue,to sit down,relax,have a few drinks and take my notes.
There is no rule of the game which says don't sit down or don't take notes when you are not betting.
But if you are the shy guy,then you can continue losing small amounts.

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##### Re: Playing for several hours flat betting and lose small amounts of money
« Reply #10 on: June 03, 2015, 05:16:11 AM »
Hi Sputnik,
U are great expert in series/single theory.
I very interested in your series/single strategy.
As I see it, it already best bet selection, meaning that u wont get
huge deviation, in medium term bet, say 100spins.

in one of your 300attempt spins chart example where
worst flatbet loss =-30.

294bet got 30 losses.

294-30lose=264/2=132+30=162+132=294

thus win=162,
lose=132.
total=294spins

lose=132/294=44.8% !

lose=30/294=10.2%

lose=294/132=2.227 time
still within math expectation!

May u please do a few thousand session of 100attempt spins each..

I mean.
100 attempt of series/single spin , stop, do ten thousand session, see how much win/lose if flat bet and see
after a thousand session, see what the worst deviation for a session,
if we flat bet and it get up  and then down to negative, and the to zero ,
every time moving up,down,up down to zero already a best bet selection!

Thanks.
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##### Re: Playing for several hours flat betting and lose small amounts of money
« Reply #11 on: June 03, 2015, 05:40:08 AM »

Here is a losing session, i Think 20 units would be a nice loss limit.

Hi Sputnik,
As I see it,

Try to make as many possible series/single, of 100 attempt bet,
then see how many has positive or negative 20unit flatbet, then we could see
that if the averages of profit or loses= +20, or -20, then we could use 100attempt of series/single as a bet selecyion.

say,
100-20=80/2=40+20=60/20= win/lose ratio.

40/100=40% win/lose.
100/40=1 in 2.5hit

As I cant do programming, I will be very thankful if u could  do a few thousand,
100 attempt bet of series/single.

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##### Re: Playing for several hours flat betting and lose small amounts of money
« Reply #12 on: June 03, 2015, 06:02:12 AM »
Hi Sputnik,
Though there only a few chart shown here, and may not represent the long term scenario, and we cant figure out the worst VARIANCE , with only a handful of chart here..
If we take a hard look at the chart, we may see the line move zig-zagy, around 10 of variance, then move up or down greatly, and stay zig-zagly at 100 or so, then move up or down greatly, and then stay zig-zagly around 10 or so variance.

But I can see that if we simply take a chart,
and in 1000'spins', we chop down the 1000 to 100 increment, we could see that in every 100spins, the variance has only around 10 to 20 variance!

Thus we may bet when the line move 'greatly, and then start to zig-zagly in a 100spin.

We do not see the line ..say,
move up 20unit, down 20 unit, then up 20, then down 20 unit.
we see that it move 10 to 20u, stay there for a long spin, then move up or down, 10 to 20, and STAY there, -10,or +10 unit.

didnt these show some kind of opportunity?

Of course the sample too little, may be if u do a few tens thousand sample, then we may CATCH, a averages , no less than, or limit of variance.

1]What the worst possible VARIANCE in a typical 1000attempt spin.

In red/black, after a 100million test by Albalaha=only 389hit/1000,

and recorded worst EC 200spins=69red in 200bet.

so..what the worst for 100series/single.
or worst for 1000attempt spins?

if the worst variance possible=30/1000spins...
then we have one of the best selection.

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##### Re: Playing for several hours flat betting and lose small amounts of money
« Reply #13 on: February 01, 2018, 09:02:38 AM »
I too search for a method that will allow me to sit at the table for hours if need be placing small bets not with the purpose of winning but as you already said just to collect data without attracting heat.

Of course my data is not for AP but for System play

Until I find this method I have played at the touch bet terminals which are linked to the live wheel but you can sit there for a long time without betting and without anyone bothering you unless perhaps it was extremely busy.

But yeah I would like a general consensus on what is the best method of just betting enough to be able to sit at the table without losing your shirt.

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##### Re: Playing for several hours flat betting and lose small amounts of money
« Reply #14 on: February 01, 2018, 01:43:52 PM »
Wich heat you are tolking about being a system player? Comps & drinks offer?