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#### BlueAngel

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##### Card Counting
« on: January 08, 2015, 06:18:00 PM »
I guess you all know more or less about the card counting technique,yet I cannot understand some concepts of it with my level of knowledge about gambling.
I hope you could enlight me.
Let's begin with the theory which supports that card counting on BJ is helping to find if there are more high value cards on the decks/shoe.
Ok,I accept this,but the dealer is getting cards from the same decks/shoe,so if the player has more chances of achieving a Blackjack with high value cards such as aces,tens,Qs,Ks and Js, so does the dealer!
Actually the dealer is getting card first and then is giving to players and if the dealer has a blackjack,the players are loosing at once,without any chance to do anything!
So what's the point of counting for "high value" cards?!
You might advocate by claiming that the dealer could get busted easier with high value cards,but it's not the case because the dealer could get busted because he/she cannot stand with lower than 17 total,so this is actually the reason which is busting the dealer.
It seems this rule is better for the player because he/she could stand or hit the next card,has an option which the dealer HAS NOT!
The only reasonable explanation I could find is that casino set this rule (dealer's not to stand below 17) because they could play against up to 5 players at once,thus a few of them could have 20 or 21 and in order to beat them the dealers need to draw more cards.
And one last thing,if those card counting techniques were so invisible why don't they apply them on the rest card games such as POKER,BACCARAT...etc??!
Don't these games have dependable results because of the cards??!
By the way,could you please explain me why the banker has an advantage against the player on Baccarat game??
All I know is that every time I win a bet on banker I pay the casino 5% commission,while when winning on the player bet it's commission free,therefore better in my point of view.
Is there a rule on Baccarat which makes the banker a better bet even with 5% commission? What is this rule which improving the banker's odds??
Last but NOT least,for me all of card games don't worth the try since every modern casino applied automatic shufflers which COULD be manipulated...
Even with just 1 deck and reshuffling after every hand,no card counting technique could gain any serious advantage.
From the other hand you hear this stories about casinos are chasing card counters...and makes me LAUGH so HARD!:-D
This is REDICULOUS!
Sorry guys,but am I missing something here???

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##### Re: Card Counting
« Reply #1 on: May 23, 2015, 03:39:56 PM »
Another fact which I forgot to mention is that by counting cards (irrelevant of the method) does not determine the sequence of the remaining cards,but only an approximation of the quantity,therefore this technique (card counting)
cannot provide the players with a sizable advantage against the house.
I know that there was a publicity "bubble" about BJ counters having great success,but I'm more than certain that we can find gamblers having great profits in other games too,but someone wanted these information to become public knowledge.
If you cannot understand who is the "someone" try to answer the question: Who would be benefited of such publicity?

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##### Re: Card Counting
« Reply #2 on: May 24, 2015, 01:09:57 PM »
Cartcounting can be very succesful when the dealer uses one deck. Suppose you play with 5 players. Every one becomes 2 carts and the dealer one. If you are the fiveth player there are proximately35 blind remaining cards. Now you can easely compute your chance and the chance of the dealer.

In the Netherlands the casinos use 6 decks shuffle machines. Cartcounting cannot increase your chance. I have developed a brand new theory based on the chance  of bust on all cart values.
My exel program can simulate all possible situations.
I wrote  a paper about the big myth of BJ.

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##### Re: Card Counting
« Reply #3 on: May 24, 2015, 09:33:18 PM »
Cartcounting can be very succesful when the dealer uses one deck. Suppose you play with 5 players. Every one becomes 2 carts and the dealer one. If you are the fiveth player there are proximately35 blind remaining cards. Now you can easely compute your chance and the chance of the dealer.

In the Netherlands the casinos use 6 decks shuffle machines. Cartcounting cannot increase your chance. I have developed a brand new theory based on the chance  of bust on all cart values.
My exel program can simulate all possible situations.
I wrote  a paper about the big myth of BJ.

Even with one deck and reshuffling after every hand it's purely coincidence if you win,like I said card counting could never determine the sequence of the cards,only to roughly estimate the amount of "high" and "low" cards.
For example I count and conclude that on the remaining 50 cards are more 10's,A's,J's,Q's and K's BUT if I don't know in which order are going to be dealt on the table,it's pointless.
A progression alone could make more sense than card counting.
For example if we could determine approximately how often a dealer get busted,we could initiate a progression on the right time.
I know a system for BJ which have multiple strokes as you change hands...!:-D

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##### Re: Card Counting
« Reply #4 on: May 24, 2015, 09:40:22 PM »
Then money in bj and other card games is using "hole carding".  Counting cards these days is more of a cover story.