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Re: Can the spinner control the ball?
« Reply #15 on: January 08, 2015, 05:08:50 PM »
This is very rare,it's like trying to roll the dice the way you want...
If this was easy and simple,every gambler could win on craps by practice on dice rolling in order to gain significant advantage.
Believe me,I've tried it for months,day after day to develop this so called "dice influence" technique,but on the end I realized it results in insignificant advantage.
So the same goes for the croupiers of roulette.
As for the ones who believe in "dealer's signature",it doesn't make sense!
It's like you are saying:"I don't want to move my hand but it's moving by itself"!
This,to say the least is laughable!
Just think about it.
Oh! maybe you didn't see the video: It is possible
 

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Re: Can the spinner control the ball?
« Reply #16 on: January 08, 2015, 06:43:02 PM »
This video proves nothing Kavouras!
It is just a random occurence,I had a similar situation while rolling dice once,I said I'm going to roll 12 and I did it on the very next roll!
But of course this was just luck and for every such event,there are hundreds,if not thousands of different events which proving quite the opposite...!
So why can't you see the "bigger picture"?! Why don't you admit that this is 1 out of 1000 if not more?
Why you want to single out the particular event,do you suggest that this is the proper way to approach roulette (dealer's signature)?
Or perhaps you might want to prevent us play roulette because the croupiers are so skillful and can make us lose?
Tipping dealers won't make them give us money by spinning the way we want.
First of all dealers are casino's employes,NOT ours! By throwing a chip here and there this doesn't make them like us more.
They just typically say thanks without meaning it,because they are not keeping these tips,casino supervisors are getting the most of them.
So they DON'T have any reason to help us even if they could! They CAN'T and they DON'T want to help players,is not enough OBVIOUS for you?!
About biased wheels:the casino has all the necessary staff and equipment to know BEFORE anyone else IF a wheel has flaws,ware or whatever you may want to call it!
Believe,the modern wheels have more endurance and less flaws and if by any chance a few of them have a kind of ware,they would repair or replace them IMMEDIATELY!
 

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Re: Can the spinner control the ball?
« Reply #17 on: January 08, 2015, 07:22:13 PM »
I just showed a guy that entered the casino floor, put a chip on a number of a legit, official roulette wheel and hit the number after the third try. If your eyes can not convince you that sector shooting is a REAL phenomenon, I don't know what would do it.
How often does it happen is another story.

Everything else is your own rant and conclusions. Not mine.
 

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Re: Can the spinner control the ball?
« Reply #18 on: January 10, 2015, 05:27:47 PM »
Although it is not very clear to see every details, here are some observations on Kav's posted video:
1. 1st try, ball spins CW and releases at about #5, about the opposite of the target #0, ball's landing behavior seems normal on #6, about 10 pockets on the right side of the target.
2. 2nd try, ball spins CCW and release at about #5, about the opposite of the target #0, ball's landing behavior seems normal on #29, about 7 pockets on the left side of the target.
3. 3rd try, ball spins CW and release at about #0, about the same of the target #0, ball's landing behavior seems NOT normal on #0 (with some extra spins around the center wheel).
The wheel speeds seem not the same in the three trials.
Apparently, he was not consistent in the way he released the ball (direction and position).
It would be more impressive if he can also land the ball within 3-5 pockets of the target #0 in the first two spins.
Conclusion: this is more likely done due to random and luck.

Imagine this:
If there are 37 people line up and come forward to spin the ball one by one to see "who has the skill to land the ball on #0".
Guess what, if we believe the 2/3 theory and #0 happens to be in the 2/3, then someone will hit #0. Shall we say that person has the "skill"?
OK, if in the first two rounds, after 2x37 spins, no one hits #0, then they all go the final 3rd round. Then most likely someone hits it. Then that person can say "I hit the target # within three trials on roulette!"
Again, it is possible to land the ball within 3-5 of the target # intentionally or unintentionally, repeatedly (this happens everyday everywhere), but in this case it seems more from luck.
 

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Re: Can the spinner control the ball?
« Reply #19 on: January 11, 2015, 07:14:53 PM »
After seeing the video and was surprised to see George (the dealer in the video whom I know) spinning zero in 3 trials, I had to call a friend of mine who is very close friend with the dealer in the video,  and asked for the phone number of that dealer. So I called the dealer today and spoke to him. I know him too, but he's not a close friend. He said the video is real, just as you see it. No tricks involved. But he emphasized to me that he had done it totally in random. If he was to do it again he most likely couldn't. He also said that the last spin that brought the zero, was one of the most rare cases of spins. As if the ball was floating over the dividers, without falling. . This, he told me, he could not repeat in the next 100 years if he tried it again. That's how rare this situation is.
So he reassured me that a dealer cannot spin a number at will. Not even a region. And any dealer that says that, he's lying.
Because if they could,  imagine if they brought their friends to play in the roulette the dealer is spinning. Big damage to the casino.
So no need to get alarmed by this video. It is real, but he told me it happened by coincidence. These are his words. Not mine. But I had to ask
Hopefully it puts out worries to rest.

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Re: Can the spinner control the ball?
« Reply #20 on: January 11, 2015, 11:10:49 PM »
After seeing the video and was surprised to see George (the dealer in the video whom I know) spinning zero in 3 trials, I had to call a friend of mine who is very close friend with the dealer in the video,  and asked for the phone number of that dealer. So I called the dealer today and spoke to him. I know him too, but he's not a close friend. He said the video is real, just as you see it. No tricks involved. But he emphasized to me that he had done it totally in random. If he was to do it again he most likely couldn't. He also said that the last spin that brought the zero, was one of the most rare cases of spins. As if the ball was floating over the dividers, without falling. . This, he told me, he could not repeat in the next 100 years if he tried it again. That's how rare this situation is.
So he reassured me that a dealer cannot spin a number at will. Not even a region. And any dealer that says that, he's lying.
Because if they could,  imagine if they brought their friends to play in the roulette the dealer is spinning. Big damage to the casino.
So no need to get alarmed by this video. It is real, but he told me it happened by coincidence. These are his words. Not mine. But I had to ask
Hopefully it puts out worries to rest.

Wow! Palestis you did an amazing work talking to the man himself!
Thank you very much my friend.
 

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Re: Can the spinner control the ball?
« Reply #21 on: January 13, 2015, 03:46:49 AM »
I must admit I'm rather amused at the believe that dealer's  know anything about the physics of the game or advantage play.   

When it comes to the physics of the game, the people that fully grasp what is and is not possible are the advantage players, not the delaers, not the pitboss, and not the coctail waitress.

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