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thomasleor

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Re: USA politics affecting the markets
« Reply #15 on: September 20, 2017, 11:01:37 AM »


An alternative view of who really decides US Foreign policy for the time being. According to the author it sure isn´t Trump.

How The Military Defeated Trump's Insurgency

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-09-19/how-military-defeated-trumps-insurgency

President Eisenhower warned his country about the MIC (Military Industrial Complex) in a famous broadcast before he left office. Kennedy did basically the same but in more covert terms during his speech. It is of course easy to dismiss such things as ludicrous conspiracy theories, yet when it comes to power, and in this case, the greed for absolute power (in reality an illusion), there are currently certain Neocon forces in the USA that really believes that is still possible, even at the cost of a Nuclear war if needed to fulfill that desire.

In any such scenario, and however it might play out, we are all mere powerless bystanders and nothing more.
 

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Re: USA politics affecting the markets
« Reply #16 on: September 20, 2017, 02:51:07 PM »

Doesn't all this mean that wars should be avoided ? That all too many innocents die while those who advocate war make sure that they are well away from the dangers ?
Bebe . If  Nazi Germany had concentrated only on Russia it is  highly likely that  Russia would have lost . They could have blockaded their ports and prevented the aid sent from the UK. (Many ships were sunk my Nazi submarines ? How many sailor; lives were lost ?)
Whatever reasons are advanced for invading other countries they should scrutinise these reasons very carefully. Very, very carefully . Bombast from Trump and N. Korea  should be compared to actual facts and not supported - or rejected- without scrutiny devoid - if possible- of our prejudices.
Hitler did  some good  for ordinary Germans during the Depression years
He promised them jobs - delivered .
He promised them housing- delivered .
He promised them a car - delivered. ( The Beetle )
What did the ordinary working man in " the democracies " get ? The depression . No job.-Little Welfare  Little Hope .
Democracy - it seems - can also be a Dictatorship too-as Thomas Lear seems to suggest.
 

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Re: USA politics affecting the markets
« Reply #17 on: September 20, 2017, 05:25:59 PM »
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The USA is a strange place. According to polls more people believe in angels than man made global warming even though the country leads the world in scientific advancements.
McCoy,

Most of us believe that some kind of warming or climate shift is taking place.  On the geological time scale it's always getting warmer and it's always getting cooler.  The problem that many of us have is some of the science and it's inconsistencies.  The temperature collection data has been suspect and curve fitted to death.  Back in the 1970s we were told that due to rising co2 emissions we were headed into an ice age.  On the evening news they'd show the latest from the frozen orange crops.  Scientists were making predictions on what the world would look like and how many people were destined to die in the coming famines.  Time magazine even had it on the cover of it's magazine. 


"Americans who lived through the 1960s and ’70s may remember the dire global-cooling predictions that were hyped and given great credibility by Newsweek, Time, Life, National Geographic, and numerous other mainstream media outlets. According to the man-made global-cooling theories of the time, billions of people should be dead by now owing to cooling-linked crop failures and starvation.
“If present trends continue, the world will be about four degrees colder for the global mean temperature in 1990, but 11 degrees colder by the year 2000,” claimed ecology professor Kenneth E.F. Watt at the University of California in 1970. “This is about twice what it would take to put us in an ice age.” Of course, 2000 came and went, and the world did not get 11 degrees colder. No ice age arrived, either."

Fast forward to the late 1990s onward.  Global warming was the buzzward.  ." In 2007, 2008, and 2009, Al Gore, the high priest for a movement described by critics as the “climate cult,” publicly warned that the North Pole would be “ice-free” in the summer by around 2013 because of alleged “man-made global warming.”

In the US, it's not that we don't believe in global cooling, global warming, and the new buzzward.."climate change," it's that we are dubious as to what some claim.  The reason is that hype gets a lot of attention and grant money for young college kids trying to complete their PHDs and taxing global warming, cough cough...I mean climate change is worth trillions of dollars in new taxes.

If it is getting warmer, which many of us believe that it currently is..until it's not... we believe that CO2 may or may not be to blame.  We know for a fact that it has been much higher in the past but the temps haven't always correlated with it.   It's not that we don't believe, it's that we are dubious, and likely quite a bit more informed then most.

Lastly, the US recently went a record 139 months without a major hurricane striking the US.  Climate change appears to have some benefits. ;)



MIT Climate Scientist Dr. Richard Lindzen: Believing CO2 controls the climate ‘is pretty close to believing in magic’
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Re: USA politics affecting the markets
« Reply #18 on: September 21, 2017, 06:03:08 PM »
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 The nazis were socialists in name only.  Many Jews were socialists yet  received barbaric treatment at the hands of the Nazis.   The Nazis were racists - not socialists - and there are some in the USA  today and in many other countries who share the Nazis beliefs.
Much of the world is socially minded unlike the USA  where the creed is The Devil Take The Hindmost .   
The original Clause 4 of the British Labour Party spoke  of  the nationalisation of the basic MAJOR industries  such as banks, Coal , iron and steel  and medical facilities  etc. without reference to small businesses. Extremists pushed for the idea of micromanaging  everything but didn’t succeed.
The Soviet Union was not a socialist country even  by their  own definition .  Communism was supposed to be the transition to socialism but this never happened.  “Socialism “ will never happen until everyone accepts sharing everything - and that is unlikely to happen, EVER  !
As for Russia invading a neighbour country which used to be part of the Soviet Union . Isn’t it clear that they fear that it will join Nato and have a U.S.A base established there ? Didn’t  the U.S.A. make clear that it did not want Cuba to have Soviet made weapons ?
Hasn’t Nato had an American commander ever since it’s inception ? Does anyone believe that he will allow nuclear weapons to be deployed without America’s approval ?
To my mind it is all about commerce / business . As a German President said “ Germany sometimes has to resort to military action in defence of it’s commercial interests “. For“Germany” substitute “ all countries “ and there you have the reality !
 

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« Reply #19 on: September 21, 2017, 07:19:09 PM »
Largely agree with almost everything.  Ussr states for " union of soviet sosialistick republics.  So they were sosialistick by their definition.
 

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Re: USA politics affecting the markets
« Reply #20 on: September 21, 2017, 07:46:18 PM »

Nope .
Socialism was the aspiration and communism was the stepping stone to that aspiration.  Their theories spoke of that interim period as The Dictatorship of the Proletariat.
The Nazis had socialist in their title . Do you think they were socialist.?
Both , though, were improvements on what went immediately before The Czarist regime was  not a benevolent regime  and Hitler did  give Germans  back their pride,
History doesn't need to be rewritten but understood and we should seek to understand the thinking behind others views. Oppressors always paint their victims as the " baddies"  Today all Muslims are classed a " vermin" even though Muslims have been killing each other for generations.
We here argue the toss about roulette but we don't kill each   other  do we? But wars kill thousands
. As Winston Churchill put it " Jaw, Jaw is better than War War  "- and he used to be a warmonger .
 

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Re: USA politics affecting the markets
« Reply #21 on: September 21, 2017, 08:28:37 PM »