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Casinos are my bitches!
« on: September 19, 2017, 05:00:51 AM »
"Casinos have sloppy game security measures. They are fools. They have broken, faulty roulette wheels and they haven't noticed. I take their money every day of the week."
Or
"Some guy somewhere developed in his kitchen an undetectable high precision micro computer with which I can predict where the ball will land on a roulette wheel."

Now these are some pretty strong statements, right? And most probably they are BS. Yet, this is what some "realistic" and "just the facts" advantage players want us to believe.

Just because we system players don't bash advantage methods as often as adv. players bash systems, doesn't mean we believe such outrageous claims.
« Last Edit: September 19, 2017, 05:32:04 AM by kav »


 
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Re: Casinos are my bitches!
« Reply #1 on: September 19, 2017, 05:15:31 AM »
I think AP players are playing the normal random flow many times and they just don't realize it! :D

If only they would share their betting schemes, we could learn from them! :D

Just because numbers or sections show bias, doesn't mean its true AP play because random does the same thing!

And what is this "temporary" bias all about anyway?  Sounds like the random flow to me!

Maybe bashing system players helps AP players to remain strong in their belief that the random flow has nothing to do with their success.

It takes alot of confidence to play roulette consistently, maybe we are just helping them stay on the path by being bashed by them?

LOL.  Wait until Scepticus gets in here, this thread will be rolling! :D
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Re: Casinos are my bitches!
« Reply #2 on: September 19, 2017, 09:15:23 AM »

It takes alot of confidence to play roulette consistently, maybe we are just helping them stay on the path by being bashed by them?


You mainly analyze and play RNG engines and not the physical roulette wheel, and still you call yourself a "roulette player". LOL

Equalling a pre-programmed computational physical device that is set to generate binary pulses of electricity as 0s and 1s that are translated as numbers within a specific spectrum, IS NOT the same as a physical roulette wheel which depends on far more factors (strange attractors) of physical origin and not digital to produce an equal amount of numbers in a specific sequence.

Additionally you try to apply a static set of rules, which you deem as a "system" that in itself is unadaptive to the dynamic and highly chaotic patternless fluidity of any given digital number generation (unless there are inbuilt limitations in the software). It is very much like an ape trying to convince his handler that a squared peg can fit in a round hole.

I know you will not acknowledge this, and REAL has himself basically said the same thing about you trying to warn those believing in what you post here as applicable, which I suspect generate certain losses for those trying your software on RNGs in various Casinos.

You are in way propagating the pursuit of a digital ghost, an imagined chimera based on non-existent mathematics, or a good, sound, common sense.

In certain countries, that my friend, is considered as fraud (deception), plain and simple. Whether it is deliberate, or non-intentional due to ignorance, on the internet, your freedom of spreading such ludicrous theories that ultimately causes financial damage to some of your readers that try your wild theories, are still allowed because there is no specific international law against it. Everyone and anyone uses anything found on the Internet by their own free choice and their own judgement. Justice here is fluid and of great variance depending on region of origin for the producer and of course the user, all depending on what is peddled, shared, or in any way distributed.

Yet what is wrong ethically falls upon yourself and those who like you propagate the same.
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Re: Casinos are my bitches!
« Reply #3 on: September 19, 2017, 10:17:08 AM »
Kav, Reyth, you are more then welcome to "bush" AP methods!!! But before doing so, learn or create one...
   We can speak about my "kitchen table" as well, l bought it in IKEA. On my opinion it's as good as any other table to create roulette computers,  it has multiple advantages to do so, especially the fact that it's belongs to me, it makes it perfect table to do this and other things ;). Best 40 gbp ever invested, if not count with bitcoin! !! Comments????
    Reyth, idea is not to " bush" systems, but to help people who may consider to use these... newbuys need guidance, we ( these who care) do our best.
   Everyone is welcome to say that my methods do not work!!! For that need to complete profile on one wheel of my choice to prove your opinion.  I'm after the profiles ( info on wheels), if we find that is not beatable at all, l will be only happy , as it will increase my knolidge. I even teach for free how to do it properly.... volunteers?  My pm is available 24/7.
   Let's tell to all world that wheels are in fact unbeatable and casinos do in fact have perfect wheel maintenance. .. ets, let's collect data to prove these " bold" statements,  should we?
   
 
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Re: Casinos are my bitches!
« Reply #4 on: September 19, 2017, 11:00:40 AM »
MrPerfect,
Thanks for not taking any offense by my remarks as they are all said in good spirit.
 
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Re: Casinos are my bitches!
« Reply #5 on: September 19, 2017, 11:50:01 AM »
I only welcome such descussion as it may make people to start doing something..  like study roulette for example ;)
 
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Re: Casinos are my bitches!
« Reply #6 on: September 19, 2017, 02:32:31 PM »

I am not so much interested in OPINIONS  as in the REASONING behind them. I think discussion would be more fruitful if  those who express an opinion would  give evidence supporting that opinion .
AP means Advantage Play but the AP in this forum claim it as their own .No acknowledgement that others can win  without  the use  of using the numbers on  the wheel  nor do they even consider that Method players can also use wheel numbers to develop a  system. Not only do we need to consider "The Maths " but also must   use Logic which is lacking in some of the AP 's derision of Method Players.
Examples ?
The statement of some AP  that they don't gamble
That  they are  invisible to casino staff.
They use a  tweak  such as  The Moon's Phases  after  extolling the virtues of data revealed by The Wheel - The Wheel !
That  to understand something we need to practice it ,
etc. etc. etc.
 
 
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Re: Casinos are my bitches!
« Reply #7 on: September 19, 2017, 02:37:03 PM »
A wheel is a RNG just as much as a computer is a RNG, its just that the wheel has physical imperfections.  If thats what it takes to allow AP players to have the confidence to play, more power to them but they are playing a RNG nonetheless that produces patterns on its own, (whether or not it is a physical wheel) that mirrors "physical bias".

So let's have Real explain how he is able to differentiate between what he calls "random flow" and "wheel bias".

Hot numbers...it's usually just randomness.  Biased numbers though are something entirely different.

ORLY!?

How can he (or any AP player) be sure he isn't substituting the most convenient reason (the croupier just farted and ate beans for breakfast) to explain what is simply random flow??

Quote from: ORLY?
8. Some types of debris...including spilled beer.

Croupier inebriated, got it.

Pointing to his bankroll and long-term success doesn't cut it!  His profits came from the RNG, plain and simple.
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Re: Casinos are my bitches!
« Reply #8 on: September 19, 2017, 04:01:21 PM »
You are indeed incurable, and I believe whatever anyone, with certain expertise in the matter, might say will still not be able to point out to you the immense errors of your excruciatingly faulty reasoning.

Consequently I can only offer the words of Mark Twain as a warning, especially to those whom find reason, where there essentially is none,  to trust your "theories" and long line of wild assumptions:

"It ain´t what you do not know that gets you into trouble. It´s what you know for sure, that just ain´t so."

There. Enough said.
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Re: Casinos are my bitches!
« Reply #9 on: September 19, 2017, 04:21:39 PM »

Thomas
Can't Mark Twain' s saying  apply also to you, me , anyone ?
Do you think that roulette wheels are sufficiently  imperfect to enable the Bettor to profit ?
I agree with Reyth's  view that both the Wheel and an RNG are only devices which generate RANDOM numbers. Those who disagree are required to produce proof of their assertion.
Any way you are breaching kav's  ( flexible ? ) rule that you " play the ball not the man " .
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Re: Casinos are my bitches!
« Reply #10 on: September 19, 2017, 04:47:10 PM »
Scepticus, if you end up to select by a chance numbers that do have positive expectation,  it will be difficult to not win. System players are just less likely to make that selection, that's all about it.
 

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« Reply #11 on: September 19, 2017, 05:04:43 PM »
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How can he (or any AP player) be sure he isn't substituting the most convenient reason (the croupier just farted and ate beans for breakfast) to explain what is simply random flow??

Because of the chi square, standard deviation calculations, the visible defects, and the supporting data.
For example, I consider a chi above 300 to be very significant, even though you may not.  LOL.

standard dev
37
408
0
408
40.21324
-1.15897028
27
404
0
404
40.61139
-1.354057193
10
437
0
437
37.54462
0.25540984
25
464
0
464
35.35991
1.572246504
29
415
0
415
39.53494
-0.817568182
12
451
0
451
36.37916
0.938214036
8
418
0
418
39.2512
-0.671252997
19
479
0
479
34.25261
2.303822428
31
603
0
603
27.20896
8.351516734
18
515
0
515
31.85825
4.059604646
6
408
0
408
40.21324
-1.15897028
21
435
0
435
37.71724
0.157866384
33
435
0
435
37.71724
0.157866384
16
503
0
503
32.61829
3.474343906
4
490
0
490
33.48367
2.840311439
23
354
0
354
46.34746
-3.792643607
35
359
0
359
45.70195
-3.548784965
14
338
0
338
48.54142
-4.572991259
2
384
0
384
42.72656
-2.329491758
0
471
0
471
34.83439
1.913648602
28
436
0
436
37.63073
0.206638112
9
398
0
398
41.22362
-1.646687563
26
460
0
460
35.66739
1.377159591
30
432
0
432
37.97917
0.011551199
11
389
0
389
42.17738
-2.085633117
7
349
0
349
47.01146
-4.036502248
20
552
0
552
29.72283
5.864158592
32
478
0
478
34.32427
2.2550507
17
396
0
396
41.43182
-1.744231019
5
392
0
392
41.85459
-1.939317932
22
388
0
388
42.28608
-2.134404845
34
381
0
381
43.06299
-2.475806943
15
343
0
343
47.83382
-4.329132618
3
381
0
381
43.06299
-2.475806943
24
586
0
586
27.99829
7.522397353
36
436
0
436
37.63073
0.206638112
13
415
0
415
39.53494
-0.817568182
1
424
0
424
38.69575
-0.378622627
Total
16407
0
16407
High
603
0
603
8.351516734
Low
338
0
338
-4.572991259
Chance of
random (1/x)
4.22E+48
4.22E+48
Chi square
333.319
333.319
Average
431.7632
0
431.7632
Break even
455.75
0
455.75
80% hi conf.
483.0224
0
483.0224
95% hi conf.
493.2742
0
493.2742
80% low conf.
380.504
0
380.504
95% low conf.
370.2521
0
370.2521
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Re: Casinos are my bitches!
« Reply #12 on: September 19, 2017, 05:34:44 PM »

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Casinos have sloppy game security measures. They are fools. They have broken, faulty roulette wheels and they haven't noticed. I take their money every day of the week."

Correct.  However we don't take money every day, because...

1. Players need a break
2. Casinos are nasty places, often infested with smokers,
3. Even incompetent casinos notice it when you win too much sometimes, and will ban you.  After all, a consistent winner or winning too much is a violation of casino policy. (And gaming law according to some of the dumber gaming officers.)
4. Money is bulky and some of us have bad backs.

It's truly comical at times. 

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"Some guy somewhere developed in his kitchen an undetectable high precision micro computer with which I can predict where the ball will land on a roulette wheel."

Correct, countless people have.  However highly skilled individuals can do it without computers, and have been before the invention of the computer.
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Now these are some pretty strong statements, right?

Correct.  I'm sure it seems that way to you, but once you read more on the history of the wheel, information from the wheel engineers, and risk consultants you have a clearer picture.

 MIT, "Inventor of the Week Archive: Pascal: Mechanical Calculator", May 2003. "Pascal worked on many versions of the devices, leading to his attempt to create a perpetual motion machine. He has been credited with introducing the roulette machine, which was a by-product of these experiments."

Below, if a casino attempted to install a tree swing.
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Re: Casinos are my bitches!
« Reply #13 on: September 19, 2017, 08:21:16 PM »
I don't see the point to copy paste references from Wikipedia. Wikipedia is definitely not an expert on AP, is it?
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« Reply #14 on: September 19, 2017, 08:34:02 PM »
I find similar results in RNG.  The very positive numbers such as:

31 24 18 16 20

are also quite typical of RNG.  This report looks no different to me than RNG; after all a wheel IS an RNG.

Its pretty clear where there is some strong bias in the area of 16-21 and secondarily, in possibly 19-27 & 28-36; further clarification required.

Extended sessions of the LotT produce results like this consistently because the number choices are limited & true balance is never actually achieved but only approximated over a sufficient number of trials.

The LotT MUST produce hot numbers (practically speaking) and over time some of these MUST be more frequent than others, its just a fact of the random flow, no physical wheel required, no flies farting on the rotor, just the random flow.

However, don't misundertsand my point, physical imperfections exist and I believe that they can be exploited, its just that similar biases also exist in the random flow as well and a simple statistical output is insufficient to tell the difference.
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