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#### dobbelsteen

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##### Re: Why Does Your System Win
« Reply #30 on: September 02, 2017, 09:05:33 AM »
Bet selection is a system for betting the next spin. Classic examples Fibonacci, Labouchere, D`Alembert and Martingale. These are most use for ECs.
On the forum there are plenty discussions of betting selection for different methods

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##### Re: Why Does Your System Win
« Reply #31 on: September 02, 2017, 11:33:56 AM »
Thats not a bet selection. Your bet selection are WHICH numbers and WHY you are betting them. What you posted is the HOW of betting those numbers.

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#### dobbelsteen

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##### Re: Why Does Your System Win
« Reply #32 on: September 02, 2017, 08:02:12 PM »
Mr J what is your definition of a betting selection. Pleas shows us some different kinds.

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##### Re: Why Does Your System Win
« Reply #33 on: September 02, 2017, 10:26:47 PM »
there's big confusion about bet selection meaning. I make disctinction about bet selection and strategy of play. i have the feeling you talk more about strategy than bet selection. Pure bet selection for me is selecting a pattern of bet based on past spins history. But bet selection can be selecting a selection of bets (inside or outside) not based on history as well. Strategy is for me more the way of betting spins after spin to achieve a goal (profit is the best), it can include a progression or not, a defined number of spins, a stop loss/win, a staking plan, a session notion, etc etc

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##### Re: Why Does Your System Win
« Reply #34 on: September 03, 2017, 12:03:25 AM »

I think a Bet Selection is WHAT you select to bet no matter how you arrive at it .
Strategy consists of many factors in HOW to bet it. Flat Bet ? Progression ? WHEN to bet it .Virtual bets . Bet immediately.  What stakes to use  When to stop?
And then there is Temperament- Money Management.  Lots of small things that the gambler  does with little thought. due to his / her experience.

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#### MrPerfect.

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##### Re: Why Does Your System Win
« Reply #35 on: September 03, 2017, 01:56:25 AM »
Guys, bet selection is numbers or distances that have been selected for a reason. They are apriory non randomly selected. If they are selected in random, it's not a bet selection, but gambler fallacy.
Reason for selection is non random nature of these numbers or distances plus understanding what exactly makes these numbers or distances to display non random behaviour verified to the comfortable level of statistical significance( confidence interval).
Before  mentioned above is satisfied,  it's a lack of understanding to speak about any betting plan. Betting plan is just a way to explore caracter of skips and repeats of the hits sequences, it's like a net for predetermined fish. If net is wrong zise of holes , it's ineffective to catch desired fish...  l do not know how to explain more easy.

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##### Re: Why Does Your System Win
« Reply #36 on: September 04, 2017, 02:58:56 AM »
Mr J what is your definition of a betting selection. Pleas shows us some different kinds.

A bet selection?

This is NOT my way of playing, just making something up >> the 19 20 21 is the furthest back hit street.

So my plan (bet selection) is to bet that street. I have to decide between flat betting OR a progression. I end up choosing a progression style. Thats the *HOW* of my bet, not the why.

Ken
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#### Reyth

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##### Re: Why Does Your System Win
« Reply #37 on: September 04, 2017, 04:39:09 AM »
The why is supposed to be this:

"Certain numbers hitting over and over again".

Correct, now why WASTE units betting the street/split with those?

Correct, some WILL drop off !!

Have the PROPER rules and you'll be fine.

Ken

Let's assume that Mr. J is not just blowing smoke here for a second.

This would mean:

There is a way to determine which numbers are less likely to fall off from a regular cycle of hitting.

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#### mr j

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##### Re: Why Does Your System Win
« Reply #38 on: September 04, 2017, 05:46:48 AM »
WHAT > the 19 20 21 street (my bet selection).

WHY > Its the furthest back hit street.

HOW > I chose to use a progression.

This isn't tough folks. I do repeat...this is not a method of mine. Its only an example.

Ken

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##### Re: Why Does Your System Win
« Reply #39 on: September 04, 2017, 07:36:40 AM »
Ken in Dutch "selection" has two meanings .Your definition is not mine . Your betting selection has more the feature of a method. I think my definition is more customary on this forum.

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##### Re: Why Does Your System Win
« Reply #40 on: September 04, 2017, 01:40:19 PM »
Its not a contest, use whatever definition you want.

Ken

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##### Re: Why Does Your System Win
« Reply #41 on: September 18, 2017, 08:12:51 PM »
Because I stick to it.
It is harder than someone can imagine.
You have always the temptation to "improve" it, or to include good ideas from other systems you see or create, especially when you just start playing it and you are not 100% confident it will really work.

I think many good systems die in the cradle, in the hands or player not really disciplined.

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##### Re: Why Does Your System Win
« Reply #42 on: September 18, 2017, 10:57:51 PM »
Welcome back sir, nice to hear from you!

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##### Re: Why Does Your System Win
« Reply #43 on: September 21, 2017, 12:10:03 PM »
Sorry for the long absence. A friend of mine successfully convinced me to join him in a new adventure, and it took tons of time from me. I managed to connect once in a while, at least to answer to messages and see what is trending here now, but not much more than that.
I see that the quest is still strong, with many good ideas and some of the usual refrains that spots every thread. I am sorry that I cannot contribute much for now.
I think is more than a month that I didn't walked into a casino. Quite a record for me.

What I meant in my post is that many good systems suffer for the need of the player to include the just occurred situation they witnessed in a game. They tweak and tweak because their perception of the game is too fluctuant. And to accomodate the new change they transform a little their system, and little by little the system they play is not even close to the starting one, in his basic principle.
They complain that what they tested at home doesn't work in the casino, and they claim bias and tricks, while they tricked themselves because of the lack of faith in their work.

When someone here reads that a perfect system does not exist, what that really happens is the undermining  confidence of a player. During the game, the ball skip a pocket and the player sees his doubt grow and grow. The "Perfect system does not exist" song start pumping in his head and he is doomed.
People must be encouraged to try, not to follow other people believes.
The world would be a much nicer place if everybody will pay attention to this, on this topic or others.

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