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Re: Why Does Your System Win
« Reply #15 on: August 28, 2017, 02:10:00 AM »
Mr j. What is your method with 2 or 3 numbers

 
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Re: Why Does Your System Win
« Reply #16 on: August 28, 2017, 02:18:32 AM »
Thats funny, I like you.

Ken
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Re: Why Does Your System Win
« Reply #17 on: August 28, 2017, 08:03:24 AM »
The word 'Session "has many definitions. The right meaning depends on the context in which it is used. I play strategies and I bet on ECs, Dozens, Columns and streets. For every bet I have my trigger and  Sleeping or hot phenomenones . After every hit a new session start. Sessions have varied numbers of spins. The game of the dices most sessions are one bet. For outside4rs .My manner of betting is very chaotic and very difficult to explain. Every decision is calculated.
 
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Re: Why Does Your System Win
« Reply #18 on: August 28, 2017, 08:39:50 AM »
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I play strategies and I bet on ECs, Dozens, Columns and streets.
Do not forget, that the game is on the wheel, not on the table and on the wheel are no ECs, Dozens, Columns and streets.....all that are only in your imaginattion....
 

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Re: Why Does Your System Win
« Reply #19 on: August 28, 2017, 12:06:23 PM »
There is a different in Table players and Wheel players. Wheel players wager on the numbers. the neighbors or sectors. Table players use the betting possibilities of the classic table. The wheel or cilinder is integrated in the Dutch table layout. At the Dutch table you can play what happens on the wheel. The roulette has only  37 real chances. The table possibilities can always read as number bets.  A split is a 2 number bet ,a corner is a 4 number bet etc.
 
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Re: Why Does Your System Win
« Reply #20 on: August 28, 2017, 01:42:14 PM »

Reyth
Hit and Run has no particular merit in itself. What it  does is to lock in a profit .  . A matter of choice .
Different strokes for different folks.
 
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Re: Why Does Your System Win
« Reply #21 on: August 28, 2017, 09:14:41 PM »
Thanks everyone for your input! I've been playing this game for nearly 20 years and love it.  Here are a few things that's helped me become a better player

  • No steep negative progressions
  • Do not chase cold numbers, or something that is due...the only time I may play a cold number is only after it has appeared
  • Personally I like to play 3 to 5 numbers
  • If my bet selection isn't hitting, change numbers.  Nothing is due in the short term.  Play what's hot. 
  • Intuition - sometimes I've had the most success betting on intuition. 
  • When variance is against you, keep wagers as low as possible.  When variance is in your favor, gradually raise bets or flatbet
 
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Re: Why Does Your System Win
« Reply #22 on: August 28, 2017, 11:36:12 PM »
Thanks for your post Scarface.
It provokes me to add my own view on general roulette tips.

I believe that a strategy is a combination of many parameters: betting few or many numbers, increasing when losing or when winning, betting on hot or cold numbers and much more. It is a mistake to take these parameters apart and make general conclusions.

For example I have found out that:
Betting many numbers, betting on cold numbers and increasing when you loose, work well together.
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Betting few numbers, betting on hot numbers and increasing when you win, work well together.
Everything can work if it fits as a part of a specific greater strategy.

So it is not necessarily true that increasing when losing or betting many numbers do not work in general. It is that you realized that YOUR most successful strategy uses a specific combination of characteristics. But it is the synergy of the parameters of your system, that make it perform. If you take those characteristics apart they stop offering an advantage. For example if you were forced to increase your bets when losing, you may found out that many numbers work better than few. So it is not the "few numbers" aspect that offers the advantage, but how it is harmoniously combined with the other aspects of your system, your bankroll and your own playing mentality. It is the synergistic effect that gives you the results. A strategy as a whole can be much more or much less than the sum of its parts.

Thanks for giving me the opportunity to write this post. 
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Re: Why Does Your System Win
« Reply #23 on: August 29, 2017, 12:07:51 AM »
Kav,

Yes it is all up to an individuals overall strategy.  I actually have a 2 part system.  First, I start playing the last 5 double streets as long as I get a hit.  If no hit, I play last 5 quad.  If no hit, last 5 lines....etc. Basic parachute progression with only 5 units a bet.  Sometimes I can get up 100-200 units by just doing this.  Then I play less numbers using winnings

If parachute progression goes bust, then I revert back to playing 3 or 4 numbers.

Start off safe grinding out profits.  Then play more money on fewer numbers.  Working well so far
 
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Re: Why Does Your System Win
« Reply #24 on: August 29, 2017, 12:15:38 AM »
Very creative system that last numbers parachute! Congrats.

Maybe we should add it to the Great Parachute thread.
If you like please post it there. Otherwise I can copy paste your description there. It is a great addition to have in the Parachute topic.
 
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Re: Why Does Your System Win
« Reply #25 on: August 29, 2017, 07:17:31 PM »
Hello,

I've to say that a system win if i've more positive sessions than negative. The term session can be relative, it can be around 20-30 spins it depends but never too much for many reasons. First is time, i have no confort or interrest playing 2 hours just to finish even or +50. If there's long sessions like that they have to be exceptional and in that case just going even is enough for me to stop or have a break. Second reason is the fact the longer my session is the most i'm impacted by the HE. My strategy is taking advantage of the variance and not the normal distribution of the wheel. Another important aspect is the professional way to play the system to not be affected by emotions. I don't want that my emotions can affect my game and my bets in any sort (i've no bet selection by the way and in that point i join the DrTalos system, i play numbers of course but not based on last spins or history in any sort it was a big revolution in my mind to operate in that direction). A long negative progression is not the way for me cause i'm true believer that after 10 blacks i've no more chance to have a red than a black; anyway a small progression with limits is needed to win in my strategy and at the end with the whole strategy i implemented i've more winning sessions than losing ones. I see another advantage of not long progression and low bankroll i can size up my unit size quite quickly without being too much exposed. I can for example try a step to 2 units bet size and if i win continue and if i lose i can come back to my initial one unit without losing much and going again before tempting a second attempt. My strategy is working good so far but i'm trying to improve it more, the ultimate would be to have like Drtalos a strategy never loosing but to be honest i'm really sceptical such a strategy exist; but the fact i found a good way i'm still open minded that this system exist maybe ...
at the end have some losing sessions is not affecting my game and my emotions cause it's not big downs and second i know i'm recouping on average of the sessions. At the end if my system is winning x units on a long term basis i'm happy. When i will have big amount of sessions i will do some statistics to have a clearer view about the average i'm doing every spin.
I don't completely agree that short+short+short makes no difference with just a long session. First cause nobody can play a long enough session in real world. Secondly cause in short session you have always variance around the average and you can benefit at some point you define to leave and take your benefit; but it's just question of money management based on my whole strategy cause like i said i don't use bet selection.

finally i've talked a lot about emotions cause even recently I discovered how the player emotions can completely makes you play in unconsidered and unlogical way when you're starting losing. I got a bonus extra 500 units one week ago on a betting casino site that I had to play on casino games like slot to release this bonus. I was winning like crazy the first 3-4 days to go up to 8000 units then when I started to lose even a bit I started to play until the point i was losing everything. I had already this situation in the past when I played long time ago some slots machine in some casinos but i had quite forgot the reason why I stopped completely these kind of games cause the way there's no real professional way to play those my emotions at a moment will make me lose everything. The same happened when I played some kind of roulette systems so I need a clear system with rules and boundaries to be sure I will never deviate from that; and in that case my emotions will never make me play unconsidarately. And this will protect the most important at the end : my bankroll.
Players emotions makes a big difference between losing and winning players and it's probably the most difficult thing to manage. some books exists and I read some about mental game of poker for example (as I was an ex poker player) and recently many poker players still playing even have a mental coach to manage this (like in sport).

jerome.
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Re: Why Does Your System Win
« Reply #26 on: August 29, 2017, 09:44:05 PM »
Well said Jerome.  Good advice!
 

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Re: Why Does Your System Win
« Reply #27 on: August 29, 2017, 10:28:14 PM »
Good post Jerome!
 

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Re: Why Does Your System Win
« Reply #28 on: August 30, 2017, 07:33:23 AM »
Jerome your manner of playing is not bad. In general nobody can play long run sessions. The outcome of short sessions is unpredictable. Using the peaks and valleys and the variance can be very profitable. From my point of view  you can increase your succes with the right use of a system and a careful bet selection.
 

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Re: Why Does Your System Win
« Reply #29 on: September 01, 2017, 10:38:43 PM »
Hi Dobbel,

i don't know what you mean by bet selection, if it's based on history i don't take into consideration cause i did my whole study about it and it doesn't go to something good at the end. I did the choice to explore other ways and it seems more promising ... for me and the kind of system i always wanted to elaborate. I have to précise the short session long sessions in fact i'm talking about the real convenient way of playing in a real table. I can play sessions of 100 spins and i will win on average in total. I've even the feeling it's better for me to play 100 spins sessions than 30-40 cause i can exploit more from the standard deviation and only one very good session on ten will be enough to give me the substantial result. Playing 1000 spins or even 500 is very rare situation in real life it would mean playing between 7-8 hours to 15-16 hours. I don't want to do that specially online so there's no way i want to simulate win/loss outer real life play, does it make sense ? if i simulate in a random way in a 10000 real spins sample hundreds 100 spins sessions and see at the end the win/loss ratio it has more sense for me than just take the 10000 spins in a row and check at the end the win/loss, cause i will always enter the game at a point and leave it at a point without knowing and consider (in the system i play) the past and future outcomes of spins...

jerome.
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