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kav

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My question is this:
Has anyone observed any differences in the results of wheels where the dealer changes direction each spin and wheels where the dealer always sends the ball in the same direction?

My preliminary observation is than when the dealer DOES NOT change direction each spin, the results are "crazier" for lack of a better word. The "waves" so to speak of results and variance are more sharp.

I think the explanation for this is the fact that when the direction changes also changes the way the dealer throws the ball. You have to catch the ball differently to throw in opposite directions. This makes the results more balanced and less repetitive maybe.
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My VR Tech Team has observed this way (by most Casinos) of applying CW and CCW spins on their wheels for over a Year now. Personally I studied the phenomenon for over 10 years and have developed software that not only contain algorithms that analyzes each direction and the outcome, but also suggest best and most probable sector for each direction.

For this purpose all my platforms are colored yellow (for CW spins) and green (for CCW spins) so the player has instant data retention, not only about the spin number, but also the wheel direction that produced it.

It has also the nice advantage that you know which direction a spin is about to take place,  when you correlating your spin-list with the Wheel. If by any reason the wheel, in the Live broadcast from the online casino,  goes in a completely wrong direction, as supposed to what your colored list says, it means you missed to enter a number from last spin, or the Casino Dealer simply chose to spin the same direction TWICE in a row. This happens sometimes at dealer change but still it is very rare in good casinos with pro dealers.

Below you see a sector mapping platform. The yellow colored section is for CW spins, and the Green one is for CCW spins.

A sector that hits good for the CW spins does not necessary hit well for the other sector (yet sometimes it happens that a chosen sector performs well in both directions for a short while). This can of course be explained by many intercepting strange attractors during the various phases of a ball, being spun around the wheel.One of them is the dealers way (as you mentioned) of snapping or throwing the ball around. If they are long they usually have no problems, Short dealers though (like some girls) might have some problems with sustaining same spin application on the wheel with different directions...and so on..

Hope this answers some of your questions.

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Thomas you are talking about the difference between directions. Which is great.
But my question is about the difference between alternating directions and always same direction.
 

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 Kav, direction is important. 
    There are variables ( strange atractors as Thomas call them) that govern the spin. Some of them may stay stable for a while... atm pressure for example. Some may change . They vary in importance, but what they do is to affect result of the spin directly or indirectly ( altering other variables).
    When same direction , dealer is more likely to control the way how they throw the ball with more attention. They more likely to mix things up on the purpose.
    Playing different directions, dealer is more likely to show stability of results due to effect of dealer signature ( not only distances but way to throw the ball as well). Obviously need to look each direction separately. ..
    Looking one direction only , bias will show up more qweak, so pit bosses will stress dealers more to vary conditions ( speeds, ball throw, change ball... ets)
 
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Good question Kav ... Real could answer this question and i also been having the same thinking process.
When you look at physics and the dealers hand and body movement throwing the ball in one direction.
Then we assume the body/hand languish is similar for each time or that body languish behaves in same way with same movement. Like a robot who repeats the same pattern with same movement over and over again.

Lets get down deeper into the physics.
Now assume the dealer hands pick up the ball from the ball track and give the rotor a small touch and then spin/throw the ball. Now if we look at the distance between from where the dealer pick up the ball from the wheel track and look at the number when dealer spin/throw ball. Then the gap or distance between A and B will be bias and reach around 5 SD where you have the same distance of movement from pocket where he pick up ball and from where he launch or throw ball. That is the reason why you can use the last outcome as release number because is become the same as release number using visual ballistic observations when the ball is in movement/launch as using the last outcome on the number ring.
So we can skip taking release number when ball is moving, we simply can use the last outcome, same thing.

This describe dealers body languish being similar and repeating movement like robot action.
The probability when dealer use one direction, for example clock wise, then body languish will be similar.

One famous bias player state that you can recognice patterns to emerge only by taking release number to outcome using distance between A and B with out measuring any more parameters.
But then we talk about thousands of trails.

The common assumption is and the conclusion is that you will bet a bias recognice pattern or results to emerge when you following one spinning direction of the wheel or less random.

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Sputnik, it's a nice shortcut ( previous result- reliz number) but it should be monitored.
    Many online casinos do vary this one on purpose ( say thanks to our pit frends).
    This shortcut is due to offset as well when wheel speed changes.
    In general, it's applicable when dealer grabs ball and throw it right after ( no delay) from same place in relation to your observation point. Such dealers show good consistency to wheel and ball timings as well. It's not only but main requirement to play ds before spin, for example.
    Look for dealers like that , they are your best frend independently wich kind of AP you use.
    For system players, ... type of dealer ball throw has affect on numbers, numbers belong to some groups on layout as well, so dealer has affect on system play ;).
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