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thomasleor

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Re: Sometimes the greatest inventions happen by luck
« Reply #15 on: May 17, 2017, 04:04:37 AM »

Thanks, Thomas.
It was your mention of Dealer's Signature that aroused my curiosity.I am not a fan of Dealer's Signature.


I can understand that. Mathematically one could present several ways of showing that "Dealers signature" is but an illusion born in the gamblers mind. Still,  if you have been playing roulette (not RNGs) at Casinos for many years and apply some sort of a system and notation one could discern a clear difference, or slight disruption of the system output, just at the change between two dealers. Where you were winning, suddenly with the change you are starting to loose.

According to the Strong and weak law of large numbers this is the prevalent baseline of averages where any winning streak by the gambler is overcome by the parameters of the game. Hence a gambler should be aware of the temporal factor involved in the game or he will, sooner than later, enter the phase of loosing his money back to the bank.  This simple little platform, basically a kids toy,  shows when such periods occur and consequently one can just stop , collect winnings and leave the casino.

For example look at the session below. Third orange column  presents an overwhelming anomaly on a auto roulette . The sectors are 8 and 29 (both 7 numbers wide). loss -14  win +22.

As you see I have 6 wins and 2 losses making a nice effortless profit of +104 units on 8 bets.  That is an average return on every made bet/spin of 13 units!

As I said. Its a nice toy with a simple but highly efficient mapping. It is also color coded according to Goethes Theory of Colors, for faster adaptation decision when confronting changing of a multitude of conditions in a matrix of many important data.

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Re: Sometimes the greatest inventions happen by luck
« Reply #16 on: May 17, 2017, 06:31:28 AM »
There should be only one  0
in the French roulette wheel.  Similarly
there should be only one   o
in       the      word              lose    :)
 
 

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Re: Sometimes the greatest inventions happen by luck
« Reply #17 on: May 17, 2017, 08:28:54 AM »


Type error on the lose, ok. But where do you see more than one 0 in the roulette display? Are you drinking again Dane, seeing double 0s, double girl friends and double glasses of whiskey on the table?  ;D
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Re: Sometimes the greatest inventions happen by luck
« Reply #18 on: May 17, 2017, 08:43:39 AM »
As a matter of fact I have been sober since 1976.
BUT NOW I SEE MY TEXT DOUBLE. Is it my fault? No!
As kav probably would have said: "Stop quoting old posts"!
 

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Re: Sometimes the greatest inventions happen by luck
« Reply #19 on: May 17, 2017, 01:21:30 PM »
PLEASE READ THIS TOPIC FROM KAV:
"PLEASE STOP QUOTING PREVIOUS POSTS". 
                                                                          8) SJÄLVKLART! 8)
"Our inability to see clearly is not due to any inadequate arrangement of the objekts" (M.M. Yogi).
But if you are so obsessed with TWO, maybe you ought to read my brandnew topic in the flat bet
section. You should expect TWO straight up hits per session.

 

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Re: Sometimes the greatest inventions happen by luck
« Reply #20 on: May 17, 2017, 01:40:35 PM »


Swedish jokes on Danish plates. Not a good combination.

I ve read your flat bet post, Dane. I have no comments.
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Re: Sometimes the greatest inventions happen by luck
« Reply #21 on: May 17, 2017, 02:06:00 PM »
This thread contains much excellent roulette wisdom!  Lets expand upon that! 

Not to be a stick in the mud (but being a stick in the mud), let's avoid argument for its own sake?

I mean, isn't the Roulette Brotherhood we all share so awesome and inspiring?

Oh, Rinad, on my Snap Back theory, it is:

After a significant gap in the appearance of a number, the chance of that gap immediately repeating and/or becoming worse, is statistically reduced

The new discovery is:

The longer a gap in the appearance of a number, the greater the chances of that number appearing again sooner

Although these are great things to know, utilizing them for profit is the difficult part.
 

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Re: Sometimes the greatest inventions happen by luck
« Reply #22 on: May 17, 2017, 02:20:17 PM »

I don't play online but in B&M casinos . Thomas.
How much data do you collect to identify what to bet and when to stop ?
Do you bet in a B&M casino ? 
I don't collect data but simply use maths but in a different way from most in this forum .Most seem to collect data but  I think that the data still needs to be interpreted .This is the stumbling block - how to interpret the data .
 

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Re: Sometimes the greatest inventions happen by luck
« Reply #23 on: May 17, 2017, 02:39:26 PM »
OK, Reyth

It's good to know and quite logical.  And I think I have never seen two really big caps in order smaller gab cap and then bigger big gap  when you get that extreme 370 spin gap then you can quite good confidently at least think that the next cap is smaller and start bet the progression somewhere like 250 spins if its available :D. But I don't really know what's up with the double and triple snap backs those things are quite even.
 

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Re: Sometimes the greatest inventions happen by luck
« Reply #24 on: May 17, 2017, 02:50:14 PM »
Reyth this shrinking theory is amazing. Even the greens a lot of times run in order big > smaller > small. :)
 

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Re: Sometimes the greatest inventions happen by luck
« Reply #25 on: May 17, 2017, 03:07:15 PM »
The geometric distribution shows that the hit is most probable at the first spin and then starts to slowly decrease.
This is for 1 number to hit.


Probability to hit   %
     Spin
2,7027
0
2,6297
1
2,5586
2
2,4894
3
2,4222
4
2,3567
5
2,2930
6
2,2310
7
2,1707
8
2,1121
9
2,0550
10
1,9994
11
1,9454
12
1,8928
13
1,8417
14
1,7919
15
1,7435
16
1,6963
17
1,6505
18
1,6059
19
1,5625
20
1,5202
21
1,4792
22
1,4392
23
1,4003
24
1,3624
25
1,3256
26
1,2898
27
1,2549
28
1,2210
29
1,1880
30
1,1559
31
1,1247
32
1,0943
33
1,0647
34
1,0359
35
1,0079
36
0,9807
37
0,9542
38
0,9284
39
0,9033
40
0,8789
41
0,8551
42
0,8320
43
0,8095
44
0,7876
45
0,7664
46
0,7456
47
0,7255
48
0,7059
49
0,6868
50
0,6682
51
0,6502
52
0,6326
53
0,6155
54
0,5989
55
0,5827
56
0,5669
57
0,5516
58
0,5367
59
0,5222
60
0,5081
61
0,4944
62
0,4810
63
0,4680
64
0,4554
65
0,4430
66
0,4311
67
0,4194
68
0,4081
69
0,3971
70
0,3863
71
0,3759
72
0,3657
73
0,3558
74
0,3462
75
0,3369
76
0,3278
77
0,3189
78
0,3103
79
0,3019
80
0,2937
81
0,2858
82
0,2781
83
0,2706
84
0,2632
85
0,2561
86
0,2492
87
0,2425
88
0,2359
89
0,2295
90
0,2233
91
0,2173
92
0,2114
93
0,2057
94
0,2002
95
0,1947
96
0,1895
97
0,1844
98
0,1794
99
0,1745
100
0,1698
101
0,1652
102
0,1608
103
0,1564
104
0,1522
105
0,1481
106
0,1441
107
0,1402
108
0,1364
109
0,1327
110
0,1291
111
0,1256
112
0,1222
113
0,1189
114
0,1157
115
0,1126
116
0,1095
117
0,1066
118
0,1037
119
0,1009
120
0,0982
121
0,0955
122
0,0929
123
0,0904
124
0,0880
125
0,0856
126
0,0833
127
0,0810
128
0,0788
129
0,0767
130
0,0746
131
0,0726
132
0,0707
133
0,0688
134
0,0669
135
0,0651
136
0,0633
137
0,0616
138
0,0600
139
0,0583
140
0,0568
141
0,0552
142
0,0537
143
0,0523
144
0,0509
145
0,0495
146
0,0482
147
0,0469
148
0,0456
149
0,0444
150
0,0432
151
0,0420
152
0,0409
153
0,0397
154
0,0387
155
0,0376
156
0,0366
157
0,0356
158
0,0347
159
0,0337
160
0,0328
161
0,0319
162
0,0311
163
0,0302
164
0,0294
165
0,0286
166
0,0278
167
0,0271
168
0,0264
169


This leads to smarter bet selections
 

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Re: Sometimes the greatest inventions happen by luck
« Reply #26 on: May 17, 2017, 03:44:46 PM »
http://forum.roulette30.com/index.php?topic=910.msg13035#msg13035

Here Reyth has come to same conclusion with a test.  Just found this :O
 

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Re: Sometimes the greatest inventions happen by luck
« Reply #27 on: May 17, 2017, 04:25:03 PM »

I don't play online but in B&M casinos . Thomas.
How much data do you collect to identify what to bet and when to stop ?
Do you bet in a B&M casino ? 
I don't collect data but simply use maths but in a different way from most in this forum .Most seem to collect data but  I think that the data still needs to be interpreted .This is the stumbling block - how to interpret the data .

Whenever I am on travel I bet at B&M Casinos (I love the special ambience found in some of them plus the pleasure of having a big pile of chips on the table.)

When I play online at the safe casinos I have selected through the years, I use my developed platforms, all containing very advanced algorithms (except this little toy i posted on this thread)

I usually only need 20 spins, then I have sufficient information on statistical probability, statistical anomaly (standard deviation)  and some other info.  You can see some of those values in the little platform I posted.  All instantly at my finger tips, which gives me sufficient time to bet on the most probable sector/s of the wheel.

I never play the table. That is a given loser however you try to derive  patterns of numbers from it. True and smart roulette play is always about the wheel. Any professional player knows that.

Concerning stops, my platforms gives me a nice red stop light whenever the betting conditions are not good and the variance curve is against my bet selections.

In B&M Casinos, where I cannot use my platforms on a Pad or similar computer, I use basic sector probability and partition math (all converted into a nice tiny chart). Nothing strange. It is enough to generate a nice profit if played carefully and get a nice day and evening in the town I am visiting at any given travel.
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Re: Sometimes the greatest inventions happen by luck
« Reply #28 on: May 17, 2017, 10:01:51 PM »

So you are not a Roulette Professional then Thomas , but a travelling businessman ?
I don't agree that The Only Way to beat roulette is by using  only the  Wheel to determine  what numbers to bet .Though you are not alone here.  Some members hers take the same view but then proceed to undermine their position.  I think you are in danger of the same in your unsubstantiated view that using " The Table ".is necessarily  loser .
All the numbers on the wheel are replicated on the table and one of those numbers MUST be in
A Dozen
A Column
It must be one of the Even -  Chances
etc.
Maths deals with numbers and Roulette is about numbers  so why cannot Maths be used since numbers are in  it's Province ?  You claim too much when you claim that The Wheel is the Only Way to go.
Nor do I think that any Professional Mathematician would agree with you that 20 numbers is sufficient data to determine Standard Deviation so your view here is clearly wrong.
Be satisfied that you win but don't try and hoodwink   us  that Probability Theory cannot be used other than with
self - styled AP.
We win . You win. Leave it at that and don't abuse others because they don't agree with your viewpoint .
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Re: Sometimes the greatest inventions happen by luck
« Reply #29 on: May 17, 2017, 10:15:06 PM »

We win . You win. Leave it at that and don't abuse others because they don't agree with your viewpoint .

Listen, pal. You asked me a couple of questions and I took time and answered my point of view on the matter. What you think is true about what I use during my roulette sessions as a probability baseline isn´t  worth much in my eyes. I ve seen your posts, and the level of your "roulette knowledge", and I ain´t impressed to put it mildly.

This hostile response from you in the quote above is nothing less than childish. If you cannot handle a response on a question you asked another member here, then don´t ask.
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