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Re: NetEnt Live roulette fairness in doubt
« Reply #15 on: March 14, 2017, 02:16:14 PM »
The definition of hot and cold are completed different Hot numbers ar most computed for the last 300 or 500 spins.
 The cold numbers are the numbers which has most not fallen. That means that a number can be hot and cold.

If you do not trust an online roulette, bet one smallest unit on an EC. Theoretical you lose 3 units on 111 sins. Study the history row and try to find a bias in randomness. It is very difficult to prove a RNG is manipulated. I have seen the most unlikely sequences. SSB is very difficult to trace.
 

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Re: NetEnt Live roulette fairness in doubt
« Reply #16 on: March 14, 2017, 03:04:05 PM »
 
 Kav, I remember now why I dont play online anymore. like dr Talos says I learned the lesson, and it costed me a lot of money.  losing streaks that goes way beyond what you ever experienced before.
even with live dealers, it does not matter. you got cheated like many of us have.
they are so many ways they can do it , it really sucks.
and I had it happend on my very first session as well. you are not the most unluckiest man in the world !!!
 
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Re: NetEnt Live roulette fairness in doubt
« Reply #17 on: March 14, 2017, 04:01:13 PM »
Your comment somehow eases my pain ;-)
 

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Re: NetEnt Live roulette fairness in doubt
« Reply #18 on: March 15, 2017, 10:00:47 AM »
playing in the practice mode there is no season to manipulate the RNG. Someone believe that the practice mode is manipulated with an advantage for the player. This to temt the player to play for real money.
In the practice mode you can test all your ideas without a risk. It is also good fot your skil.
 

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Re: NetEnt Live roulette fairness in doubt
« Reply #19 on: March 15, 2017, 10:27:46 AM »
Don't forget there are play money wheels that are not casino based also.  I have heard that Roulette Simulator even uses the high quality TRNG Random.org.

However, this is only a rumour as I cannot find any corroborating info on their site...

I do know however that Random.org does have an APP DOWNLOAD feature available.
 

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Re: NetEnt Live roulette fairness in doubt
« Reply #20 on: March 15, 2017, 12:10:40 PM »
I have tested the same casinos in both fun and real mode. Some very much, and it is no any sign of easier to win.
Free money or fun money makes other kind of play, some are too scary with the bets, so a good streak gain small and a bad lose all.

If we test and play the same style, we will see it is no difference. I do not know about all casinos, so it may exist.

I heard about one casino which did opposite to other, and offer very good odds on pennie slot, people starting win and "chip up" and losing.
 
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Re: NetEnt Live roulette fairness in doubt
« Reply #21 on: March 16, 2017, 01:04:27 AM »
I am now very positive that this platform sucks.
I have experienced too many extreme events of various types.
I personally advise anyone to avoid this platform.
Among other tests I did and stats I took I have played the Kavouras bet. I know this bet extremely well and  I know what i can expect as a good or bad scenario. BetEnt was beyond anything I have ever experienced in a casino all the years I play this bet. 

BetEnt is full of extreme sequences after extreme sequences. (Follow the Last on even chances winning 19 bets in 20 spins, 5 numbers sleeping for 100 spins, 5 numbers being super hot for over 100 spins etc. etc.

Here is a "favorable" extreme event. In all my years I have never faced such a winning sequence for the Kavouras bet. Win after win after win, losing only 3 times in 22 spins and most winning spins paying the big money (splits)!
I don't know what is happening with NetEnd, but it is beyond any previous experiences I had playing roulette.

I attach the images when Kav bet would make a killing even if just flat betting (117 chips profit in 22 spins)


« Last Edit: March 16, 2017, 01:09:08 AM by kav »
 

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Re: NetEnt Live roulette fairness in doubt
« Reply #22 on: March 16, 2017, 03:35:29 AM »
The two pictures looks not very strange, it is seen every day, if we play rng fast, so we got the spin sample .

I got just a run with a lot of numer 8, it could be bad for me if I did not happen to play repeaters with positive progressions.

There are programs to test larger sample for fairness.
 

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Re: NetEnt Live roulette fairness in doubt
« Reply #23 on: March 16, 2017, 11:38:08 AM »
Jesper,

The pictures don't look strange, but for someone who plays the Kav bet for years they do look strange. It all depends on what you are looking for. 1% or 0,1% events can happen, but in NetEnd they happen all the time not just once in 100 or 1000.
 

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Re: NetEnt Live roulette fairness in doubt
« Reply #24 on: March 16, 2017, 12:46:34 PM »
Kav, you could always do a runs test on some spins. It's described in one of the articles on my site:

http://www.roulettician.com/articles/article4.html

Several tests would be better, but it's a start.
 
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Re: NetEnt Live roulette fairness in doubt
« Reply #25 on: March 16, 2017, 01:50:10 PM »
I recall a game there I lost my discipline (happens from time to time) and was back a sum I for sure never should risk, it was several 1000 Euro.
Just by luck "the last" (possible) bet save it and I won instead a good win.

The lesson is it is allways risky, and if we stop, for other reason than empty bankroll, we have to start next time with that minus anyhow. 
 
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Re: NetEnt Live roulette fairness in doubt
« Reply #26 on: March 17, 2017, 04:38:09 PM »
Hey, I thought I would try out my new utility to give some additional perspective.

16 numbers has a chance of hitting within 14 spins of  99.964%.  So, how many times can it be expected to miss successively?



O_o

Woah.  That DOES look fishy... (the first entry is a 0 loss event)

I think Kav is right to say that the two events together approach a level of statistical rarity that could indicate tampering.

So what I mean we are saying their wheels have magnets, right?

Wow, so like Kav says, "stop playing as soon you suspect that the game is not fair".
« Last Edit: March 17, 2017, 04:53:47 PM by Reyth »
 
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Re: NetEnt Live roulette fairness in doubt
« Reply #27 on: March 18, 2017, 01:20:57 PM »
Quite a few people think there is something not quite right with Netent Live Roulette.

This guy (Paul) does live streams 2/3 times a week with his own money. He is a high roller of sorts. This video was his worst loss of around 34k. Look at the spins and how the ball behaves. I have however seen him have some big wins at times of 5 or 6k in a single spin, so maybe the big loss just magnifies what some of us think is suspicious behaviour on the software providers part. Personally speaking, I think it's better to play at online sites which are coming from a real casino where you can see the players bet. Unfortunately Dublinbet does not stream from the Fitzwilliam Club in Ireland anymore, however there is still the Dragonara and The Portomaso Casinos which offer this. These studio outfits are to be avoided IMO.

Here is the 34k loss video. Ouch!!

newbielink:https://youtu.be/qTQAWFU7L2o [nonactive]

 
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Re: NetEnt Live roulette fairness in doubt
« Reply #28 on: March 21, 2017, 07:48:43 PM »
If his average win is 6k, loosing 34k is a bit too much.
  I miss fidzerald tables as well. ..
 Dragonara is quite good, l had nice wins there.
Portomasso doesn't stream to UK anymore, or at least they say so when l try to login :(.
 

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Re: NetEnt Live roulette fairness in doubt
« Reply #29 on: March 21, 2017, 08:30:42 PM »
i always had the impression that casinos beat players that play many numbers , i ve seen this phenomenon so many times , i mean its an easy target , just few days ago i was in athens casino playing in airball machine and next to me was a a guy from pakistan and he was played that way full all the board , i tell him ' u play wrong way' and he end up loosing 1,500e, what s the best proof that this ?
 
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