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Re: Is Advantage Play based on Gambler's Fallacy?
« Reply #30 on: August 23, 2017, 10:46:40 AM »
Duncan, and why these thing's you mention are difficult?
   Take data , yes it will requite time, if you think you will need 200 spins , it may take you one day... l would collect a bit more then that.
    To develop skills of vb..  it may take a week, if you got proper mentor... no need to learn vb while you collect data, make it before in comfort of your home.
   100 chips problem l will not comment,  only play for money you prepared to loose, and if it happen, make sure you got other 100 chips to play.
   About betting partner.... it's very helpful. It's not something you couldn't do yourself dow. 
 
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Re: Is Advantage Play based on Gambler's Fallacy?
« Reply #31 on: August 23, 2017, 10:59:36 AM »
The skills is the only thing I have.My mentor was Jafco.
In every wheel you have to memorize the ciirtain decleration of the ball in order to find the correct revolution.
Every wheel is different.

Without a partner the game will be soon over ( if you are winning) with NMB.

Winning in the livingroom watching DVD spins is different than real play.
 

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Re: Is Advantage Play based on Gambler's Fallacy?
« Reply #32 on: August 23, 2017, 11:18:04 AM »

The advantage of a chess player is his knowledge of the game,  his experience his talent
Exactly the same is in roulette - some simply have better understanding of game, bigger experience and maybe some talent which not have others.
If you come to wheel and want to play positive - you must have some specifical knowledges and knowledges about actual wheel. without these knowledges simply imposible play  AP. I almoust sure that you such knowledges not have, because other, will not be such dispute.

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I play roulette more than 40 years in a landbased casino and I have never met an real AP player.
I play 25 and also not met .... but i saw two who played better than me...
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AP players exist only at forums on internet.
I not met in past 5 years some new player, which play AP and i not know him from earlier...
Are few, which are in forums 20 years so much earlier, than you come to forums.

And write they for some specifical reasons. Say me write simply to kill time in travels, or  to rest from trainings or researchings. By writing i have chance to meet somebody who play AP in other way and i can say a bit to learn something from him. I not have any intentions to teach others how to play right and i at all not want, that will be more AP players in the world  :) .....So if you play 40 year and your play is not AP - that is only good for me  :)
 

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Re: Is Advantage Play based on Gambler's Fallacy?
« Reply #33 on: August 23, 2017, 12:41:14 PM »
 Duncan, Jafco is super helpful, but only for these who take private lessons. I can fix your vb problems in 30 min, assuming you got general understanding about a subject.
   Key to Jafco method is constantly readjusting in how many revolutions till the end you predict.
It's a good method and it has its merit.
 

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Re: Is Advantage Play based on Gambler's Fallacy?
« Reply #34 on: August 23, 2017, 12:45:40 PM »
LoL

The VB problems I have is boring to scout the wheels to find the one with the best advantage and no partner to co apperate with this.

I can take advantage of 2 Diamonds and even predict 2 hot zones .
My prediction in the correct rev is super accurate .

I don t need VB. with 35 chips BR I can win the 2:1 bets

Good luck with VB
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Re: Is Advantage Play based on Gambler's Fallacy?
« Reply #35 on: August 23, 2017, 02:22:21 PM »

" A lot of requirements not likely to happen "
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Re: Is Advantage Play based on Gambler's Fallacy?
« Reply #36 on: August 23, 2017, 03:41:27 PM »
Duncan, l like to scout for wheels, more difficult they are- better!!! I enjoy scout for wheels l can not beat at the moment. It's because these l can, provide me stable income in any moment l want it, l just go there and take money. And these l can not, give me fuel to become better player. Up till now there was no wheels l didn't find how to beat and l do not care if it's online or offline,  if it has dominant diamonds or if time for mnb is favorable. ... and it's not because lm a superman, but because l know that any wheel has a weekness and given enough time l will find it.
  If you are so good as you say, then problem is not vb, but it's user.
 

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Re: Is Advantage Play based on Gambler's Fallacy?
« Reply #37 on: August 23, 2017, 04:08:37 PM »
In the casino I have seen a lot of different kind of gamblers. As long as nobody can tell me what advantage is, I can not recognize an AP player. Wheel watchers, DS players, system players, pattern players, number writers and random players etc. Thinking you can beat the house advantage is the fallacy of all roulette players.
 

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Re: Is Advantage Play based on Gambler's Fallacy?
« Reply #38 on: August 23, 2017, 04:35:28 PM »
Duncan, l like to scout for wheels, more difficult they are- better!!! I enjoy scout for wheels l can not beat at the moment. It's because these l can, provide me stable income in any moment l want it, l just go there and take money. And these l can not, give me fuel to become better player. Up till now there was no wheels l didn't find how to beat and l do not care if it's online or offline,  if it has dominant diamonds or if time for mnb is favorable. ... and it's not because lm a superman, but because l know that any wheel has a weekness and given enough time l will find it.
  If you are so good as you say, then problem is not vb, but it's user.
Hi, I do believe you cannot beat any wheel no matter what.
Most wheel are random or have a very small edge below HE.
There are many APs here that might find funny the way you state you can beat any wheel.
Casino business wins multibillion dollars, I guess it takes huge effort to beat most wheels.
Just to comment.
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Re: Is Advantage Play based on Gambler's Fallacy?
« Reply #39 on: August 23, 2017, 04:49:52 PM »
 Ybot, did you  ever told your trackers about this "opinions" of yours? All the people working with you will be super curios to know what you think about wheels in general. Or are you becoming system player yourself?
  Just to comment. :).
 

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Re: Is Advantage Play based on Gambler's Fallacy?
« Reply #40 on: August 23, 2017, 04:53:48 PM »
Mr Perfect.
I have seen the videos of you in utube. Your knowledge and skills are very limited.
Your wheel has a huge decleration that screams for the right rev and u can t find it LoL.
You  are not even able to follow different wheel speeds.
I really can t understand why you didn t learn the basics from Jafco ... 

Anyway... I don t care for VB anymore...been there done that and I was winning at the time...
Anyone who says AP is easy its obvious he doesn t know what he is speaking about.

I have a mechanical betting that I sit at the table pen and papper , write some spins and start playing without watching wheels etc.

Happy winnings.
 

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Re: Is Advantage Play based on Gambler's Fallacy?
« Reply #41 on: August 23, 2017, 05:03:21 PM »
Hi mr Perfect,  I guess you know me but I do not know you.
I felt curiosity how to beat some wheel I use to give up.
We never end to learn something new every month.

 

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Re: Is Advantage Play based on Gambler's Fallacy?
« Reply #42 on: August 23, 2017, 05:20:02 PM »
 Hi, Ybot, l was the one who gave you book that you were looking 3 years for . Hi,Ale ;).
       Duncan@ if my wheel is that easy as you say, probably you wouldn't mind to show your great skills on skype in real time? We could make a friendly competition.
 

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Re: Is Advantage Play based on Gambler's Fallacy?
« Reply #43 on: August 23, 2017, 06:59:40 PM »
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I have a mechanical betting that I sit at the table pen and papper , write some spins and start playing without watching wheels etc.

Duncan,

Your comment is a big red flag indicating that you don't grasp the math very well.  If you believe that a mechanical system can work, then you're likely not able to comprehend how to correctly implement visual ballistics/wheel watcher.  This is why it seems so impossible for you.  By the way, it does require some effort, it's not easy and not everyone can do it. 

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In order to be an APer you have to gather at least 100 spins clockwise and 100 anticlockwise to check the scatter after ball drop and see IF there is a constant one.
Then in all these data gathering you have to train your eyes and brain to recognize a cairtain ball rev to the end.
And also make a map wheel speeds in order to follow the rotor speed changes.
Then you have to have at least 100 chips BR to risk.

You find collecting 200 spins to be too time consuming and intimidating?  Really???   I'll sometimes collect in the thousands.

And a 100 chip bankroll?  I hate to tell you this, but I usually have at least a 300 or 400 unit bankroll.  If you can't afford a 100 unit bankroll then you shouldn't be gambling.

Also, you can't play it online.  Even if you were lucky enough to win, you can't win much online because the casino will freeze your account and keep your money.  That's the way it is.  They won't pay consistent winners.  They are predatory, and they only want losers.
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Re: Is Advantage Play based on Gambler's Fallacy?
« Reply #44 on: August 23, 2017, 07:20:48 PM »
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Bias roulette devices does not consist. Manipulated ones many.

 You've never tracked for bias, so how would you know?  Furthermore, have you ever tracked wheels outside of Belgium?  Have you seen more than 10 or 20 wheels in your entire life?
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How can we compare an AP player and a statistic player  in a match.

It's simple.  The AP player has an edge.  The statistic player doesn't.

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I play roulette more than 40 years in a landbased casino and I have never met an real AP player. AP players exist only at forums on internet.

Gambling off an on for a handful of spins at a time doesn't make you knowledgeable of how to beat the wheel, and what's really out there.  I believe you when you say you've played at A CASINO off and on for 40 years...and that's the problem.   You've probably never been in other casinos except one... and you've probably never looked at more than a handful of wheels.   So it's not unusual for a casual player to never notice a biased wheel or encounter a professional.  Your experience is limited to that of the average passive player, and your knowledge about the gaming device, and history of the game is consequently very limited as well when compared to that of an AP and or professional player. 

If the AP is good, then you shouldn't know they were ever there.
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